RE: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

["Edward Arthurs" <earthurs () legacyinmate com>]

There are several obstacles to overcome, IMHO
1. The companies at the mid size and smaller levels have to invest in newer
equipment that handles IPV6.
2. The network Admins at the above mentioned companies need to learn IPV6,
most will want there company to pay the bill for this.
3. The vendors that make said equipment should lower the cost of said
equipment to prompt said companies into purchasing said equipment.

There is a huge difference between IPV4 and IPV6 and there will be a lot of
network admins that simply do not want to learn or change there network.

Thank You
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:02 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion


In message <E6F570A1-3911-437F-897F-81CB569377C1 () delong com>, Owen DeLong
write
s:
> > =20
> > However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer:
> > http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm
> > Summary: Until it is perfectly clear why a consumer needs IPv6, and 
> > =
> what
> > they need to do about it, consumer education will only cause fear 
> > and frustration, which will not be helpful. This is a technology 
> > problem, =
> not
> > a feature problem, and consumers shouldn't have to select which =
> Internet
> > to be on.
> > =20
> > Lee
> > =20
>
> Short of consumer education, how do you expect to resolve the issue = 
> where $CONSUMER walks into $BIG_BOX_CE_STORE and says "I need a 
> router, = what's the cheapest one you have?"
>
> Whereupon $TEENAGER_MAKING_MINIMUM_WAGE who likely doesn't know DOCSIS 
> 2 = from DOCSIS 3, has no idea what IP actually is, and thinks that 
> Data is = an android from Star Trek says "Here, this Linksys thing is only
$30."
> Unless/until we either get the stores to pull the IPv4-only stuff off 
> = their shelves or educate consumers, the continued deployment of = 
> additional incapable equipment will be a continuing problem. As bad as 
> = the situation is for cablemodems and residential gateways, at least 
> = there, an educated consumer can make a good choice. Now, consider 
> DVRs, = BluRay players, Receiver/Amplifiers, Televisions, etc. where 
> there are, = currently, no IPv6 capable choices available to the best 
> of my = knowledge.
>
> Owen
 
IPv6 is out there but you only seem get it in the quad radio boxes along
with the corresponding price tag.

We are already seeing reports of consumers complaining because they can't
get a unshared IPv4 address when they move providers from DSL to Fibre and
it breaks what they were doing on the DSL line.  In this case it was DS-Lite
providing the shared address but CGN or
NAT64+DNS64 would also be a problem.  The NAS box was no longer
reachable because the other side was IPv4 only.

I suspect this is the start of a long line of complaints because ISP's have
been too slow in delivering IPv6 to *everyone* so that people are isolated
from each other protocol wise.

Note it is not like you have not been told for years that this day is
coming.

Mark

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