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Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 02:15:33 -0400
Now that's more than a little disingenuous. Until a week or so ago, pretty much all of the FIOS plans were asynchronous - a 15meg down/5meg up network was not designed for web browsing and email.
For that matter, Verizon is currently billing their lowest speed FIOS plan, at 50up/50down as "Stream 2 HD videos simultaneously" and for only $20/mo. more you can "stream up to 7 HD videos simultaneously"
Miles Fidelman Richard Bennett wrote:
In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:http://blog.netflix.com/2014/03/internet-tolls-and-case-for-strong-net.html" Strong net neutrality additionally prevents ISPs from charging a toll for interconnection to services like Netflix, YouTube, or Skype, or intermediaries such as Cogent, Akamai or Level 3, to deliver the services and data requested by ISP residential subscribers. Instead, they must provide sufficient access to their network without charge."This isn't the traditional understanding of net neutrality, but this is the beauty of murky notions: they can be redefined as the fashions change: "You've designed your network to handle the traffic demands of web browsing? That's cute, now rebuild it to handle 40 times more traffic while I sit back and call you a crook for not anticipating my innovation."Very wow. RB On 7/27/14, 9:49 PM, Matt Palmer wrote:On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 09:08:17PM -0700, Richard Bennett wrote:In a word: no. Net neutrality is about everyone paying their own way to get their packets to where they want them to go. Netflix doesn't get to use theI don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is for the eyeballs to pay for the entire cost of the network and for edge providers to use it for free; isn't that what Netflix is asking the FCC to impose under the guise of "strong net neutrality?"Internet "for free"; they pay a whole heck of a lot each month to L3 and Cogent. - Matt
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Current thread:
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity, (continued)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Bill Woodcock (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Miles Fidelman (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity William Herrin (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Bill Woodcock (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Jay Ashworth (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Bill Woodcock (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Dorian Kim (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Matthew Petach (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Matt Palmer (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Richard Bennett (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Miles Fidelman (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Paul WALL (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Matt Palmer (Jul 27)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity mcfbbqroast . (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Paul WALL (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Miles Fidelman (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity William Herrin (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Richard Bennett (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Daniel Corbe (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity William Herrin (Jul 28)
- Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity Michael Thomas (Jul 28)