Re: carrier comparison

[Joshua Goldbard <j () 2600hz com>]

Cogent always has the cheapest rates but they also have the most peering disputes of any operator. I've seen intra-data 
center hops between cogent and Verizon take over 150ms.

As with all things Internet, your mileage may vary. I would not put something with a 5 9'a uptime requirement on cogent 
without a failover circuit. For less sensitive applications it seems like a win.

The Internet is both incredibly robust and fragile simultaneously.

Cheers,
Joshua

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On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, "Vlade Ristevski" <vristevs () ramapo edu> wrote:

> We have had Cogent over Verizon's Fiber for more than a few years now. Cogent goes down once at year at minimum. They 
> had 2 outages in a single day a couple days ago in Northern NJ.  One in the AM "..caused by a power outage in a 
> vendor data center where Cogent is collocated." They went on to have another outage at around 9:30 PM on the same day 
> for which I'm still waiting for an RFO. During this outage, they still were advertising our BGP routes so we didn't 
> fail over to our 2nd provider. I notice that happens alot with them. When they go down, they still advertise your 
> routes.
>
> As far as price goes, for us Cogent is cheap but Lightpath is cheaper.
>
> Our college is kind of far from things so we don't have a lot of outside fiber coming. The last mile fiber for both 
> of our connections are different from our Internet providers. I've never had a big issue with the two working with 
> each other. The only issue we had is I suspected we weren't getting as much bandwidth as we paid for. They had to 
> work out where the policer and/or bottle neck was. This is the only issue we had in 5 years with this set up and it 
> got resolved. IME, when there is a full outage, it's always been clear who the responsible party is.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/6/2014 10:17 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >  
> > We're a small ISP / datacenter with a Time Warner fiber-based DIA contract
> > that is coming up for renewal.
> >
> >  
> > We're getting much better pricing offers from Cogent, and are finding out
> > what Level 3 can do for us as well. Both providers will use Time Warner
> > fiber for last mile.
> >
> >  
> > My questions are:
> >
> > -          Will we be sacrificing quality if we spring for Cogent?
> > (yesterday's Cogent/Verizon thread provided some cold chills for my spine)
> >
> > -          Is there a risk with contracting a carrier that utilizes another
> > carrier (such as Time Warner) for the last mile? (i.e. if there is a
> > downtime situation, are we going to be caught in a web of confusion and
> > finger-pointing that delays problem resolution)?
> >
> > -          How are peoples' experiences with L3 vs TWC?
> >
> >  
> > Although I assume everyone on the list would be interested in what others
> > have to say about these questions, out of respect for the carriers in
> > question, I encourage you to email frank opinions off list.
> >
> >  
> > Or if there are third party tools or resources you know that I could consult
> > to deduce the answers to these questions myself, they are most welcome.
> >
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam