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Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic
From: Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:08:59 +0000
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Anthony Junk <anthonyrjunk () gmail com> wrote: ...
It seems as if both Yahoo and Google assumed that since they were private circuits that they didn't have to encrypt.
I actually cannot see them assuming that. Google and Yahoo engineers are smart, and taping fibres has been well known for, well, "forever". I can see them making a business decision that the costs would be excessive to mitigate against taping(*) that would be allowed under the laws in any event. Gary (*) "A" mitigation was run the fibre through your own pressured pipe which you monitored for loss of pressure, so that even a "hot tap" on the pipe itself would possibly be detected (and there are countermeasures to countermeasures to countermeasures of the various methods). And even then, you had to have a someone walk the path from time to time to verify its integrity. And I am pretty sure there is even an NSA/DOD doc on the requirements/implementation to do those mitigations.
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- RE: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Lorell Hathcock (Nov 01)
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- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Michael Still (Oct 31)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Jimmy Hess (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Randy Bush (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Jorge Amodio (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Michael Still (Oct 31)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Niels Bakker (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic George Herbert (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Gary Buhrmaster (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic David Miller (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic berry (Nov 01)
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