Re: HTTPS-everywhere vs. proxy caching

[Leslie <geekgirl () gmail com>]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
> It occurs to me that I don't believe I've seen any discussion of the
> Unexpected Consequence of pervasive HTTPS replacing HTTP for unauthenticated
> sessions, like non-logged-in users browsing sites like Wikipedia.
>
> That traffic's not cacheable, is it?  Proxy caches on services like
> mobile 3/4G, or smaller ISPs, or larger corporations can't cache it, I
> wouldn't think, which means both that they will see traffic increases,
> and that the end sites will as well.
>
> Has this been discussed and I missed it?  Do I improperly understand
> transparent caching?  Or is this just a bomb waiting to go off?
>
> I assume that Wikipedia themselves are on top of the idea that their
> in-house reverse-proxies won't be carrying that traffic (though I don't
> actually know what their architecture looks like anymore), but..

If anyone's curious about Wikipedia (we're open with our architecture)
- we aren't really effected by using https instead of http for non
logged in sessions.  I'm assuming all of the other major sites use
similar methods.

The path goes user <--> LVS load balancer <--> nginx ssl termination
<--> varnish (caching layer) <--> (if cache miss) application layer

The only extra "hop" for https is the ssl termination, and while if
all of a sudden 100% of our traffic switched from http to https, we'd
be underprovisioned and have to scramble, the incremental effect of a
single user (or all the https everywhere users!) using https is
incredibly tiny.  It's not as cpu-intensive as many people think.

Unless a corporation is breaking ssl ( like in this case -
http://superuser.com/questions/115349/firefox-this-connection-is-untrusted-behind-corporate-firewall
) their proxies would be unable to cache SSL content.

If you're curious about wikimedia's architecture, you can check it out
on our wiki -- https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Leslie

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