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Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat


From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:50:23 +0530

Net net - what we have here is, so far, relatively low tech exploits with a
huge element of brute force, and the only innovation being in the delivery
mechanism - very well crafted spear phishes

They don't particularly need to hide in a location where they're literally
bulletproof (considering how many crimes have the death penalty in china,
said penalty being enforced by a bullet to the head and your family billed
for the bullet, if I remember correctly)

Now there's a light shone on it all, despite the official denial, you'll
simply see this office building shift to an even more anonymous business
park halfway across the country (or maybe inside an army base that people
just can't wander into and photograph), and the exploits will simply start
to cover their traces better.

Sure they'll evolve - let them.  The point here is that they're going to
evolve anyway if we let them operate with impunity from a location where
they're bulletproof.

--srs

On Thursday, February 21, 2013, Scott Weeks wrote:



--- Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <javascript:;> wrote:
The scary part is that so many things got hacked by a bunch of people
who made the totally noob mistake of launching all their attacks from
the same place....
------------------------------------------------


This all seems to be noobie stuff.  There's nothing technically cool
to see here.  All they do is spear phishing and, once the link is
clicked, put in a backdoor that uses commonly available tools.  As
I suspected earlier it's M$ against M$ only.

The downside is nontechnical folks in positions of power often have
sensitive data on their computers, only know M$ and don't have the
knowledge to don't click on that "bank" email.

Technically, it was 74 pages of yawn.  Don't waste your time unless
you're interested in how they found out where the attack was
originating from and how they tied it to the .cn gov't.

scott



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--srs (iPad)


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