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Re: Force10 E Series at the edge?
From: Randy <randy_94108 () yahoo com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
--- On Tue, 3/27/12, Tom Daly <tom () dyn com> wrote:
From: Tom Daly <tom () dyn com> Subject: Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? To: "Brent Roberts" <Brent.Roberts () progressive-solutions com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 8:59 PM Brent, Your options include, for smaller boxes: - Brocade CER series, but make sure you the -RT versions due to RAM (haven't tried, though) - Juniper MX (MX80 is working well for us) - Cisco ASR1006 (heard a lot about BGP price issues) But for 300mb/sec, what not OpenBSD + Quagga? Tom ----- Original Message -----I was very happy with the E300 as a data center coreswitch handlingmultiple full feeds (around 15) with about 10x thetraffic you aretalking about. The only problem I had was thatForce10 didn't havea useful (basically forklift) upgrade to get more IPv4prefixes, andthe more I talked to them and the more I showed themthe graphsdemonstrating what we'd need for prefix space assumingeven the mostconservative assumptions at depletion, the more Irealized theyreally Did Not Get It. In fact, their brand newarchitecturerecently announced had only 500k prefixes allowed, at atime thatthe Juniper MX platform handled 2million easily. So I would be fine using Force10 again, given thefollowing changes:1. Large limits on IP prefixesallowed2. Reallocation of useless memoryfrom stupid things like MAC tablesto prefixes (data centers have veryfew MACs, very many prefixes)3. Command line logging The units worked great at failover, never had anyproblems gracefullyfailing over from one RP to another, but if you have tocold bootthem for any reason it takes like 5 minutes :( On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Roberts, Brent wrote:Is anyone running an E300 Series Chassis at theinternet edge withmultiple Full BGP feeds? 95th percent would beabout 300 meg oftraffic. BGP session count would be between 2 and4 Peers.6k internal Prefix count as it stands right now.Alternative arewelcome. Thought about the ASR1006 but I need somelocal switchingas well. Full requirements include Full internet Peering over GigE Links. Fully Redundant Power Redundant "Supervisor/Route Processor" Would prefer a Small Chassis unit. (under 10u) Would also prefer a single unit as opposed to atwo smaller units.
I can't speak for forece10 which is DELL now. As Joe mentioned, the biggest problem is "their-support" of 680k prefixes with the QUAD-CAM linecards. DUAL-CAM line cards do 512K in theory. Regular ones don't work because thay support 320K prefifex and "die" around 300K They have other idiotic-implementations(when to set/NOT set ospf forwarding-address) buggy vrrp implemtation but I am told "it will be fixed in the next release of FTOS. So, NO! the 300i, 600 or 120 are good a good fit as edge/core layer devices. On a sepatare note.....their S50 switches; I have found to be "great" as long as your l2 environment doesn't require Rapid-PVST. They do PVST but 802.1W is a single instance. ./Randy
Current thread:
- FW: Force10 E Series at the edge? Roberts, Brent (Mar 27)
- Re: FW: Force10 E Series at the edge? james jones (Mar 27)
- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Jo Rhett (Mar 27)
- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Tom Daly (Mar 27)
- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Randy (Mar 27)
- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Owen DeLong (Mar 28)
- RE: Force10 E Series at the edge? George Bonser (Mar 28)
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- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Brant Ian Stevens (Mar 28)
- Re: Force10 E Series at the edge? Tom Daly (Mar 27)