Re: [apnic-talk] Concern about gTLD servers in India

[Anurag Bhatia <me () anuragbhatia com>]

Thanks everyone for your replies. I found those really insightful
(specially the offlist ones) ;)


I got fairly decent image on why things are looking so bad here.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Che-Hoo CHENG <chcheng () ieee org> wrote:

> J root should be j.root-servers.net (192.58.128.30).
>
> Che-Hoo
>
>
> On 12 Mar, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Anurag Bhatia wrote:
>
> Just looked at j root in detail.
>
>
> Unfortunately not much of traffic is going to J root. BSNL along with its
> main upstream providers Tata & Airtel - all picking outside routes. Tata
> AS4755 is taking directly to AS6453 while AS6453 is passing to NTT in
> London which is next taking back to Japan and then going to HK anycasted
> node (yeah head shake routing!).
>
>
> Here's a view:
>
> traceroute to j.gtld-servers.net (192.48.79.30), 30 hops max, 60 byte
> packets
>  1  router.local (192.168.1.1) [AS8151/AS28513]  1.180 ms  1.621 ms  2.121
> ms
>  2  117.207.48.1 (117.207.48.1) [AS9829]  26.935 ms  29.328 ms  31.956 ms
>  3  218.248.173.46 (218.248.173.46) [AS9829]  34.393 ms  37.093 ms *
>  4  115.114.57.165.static-Mumbai.vsnl.net.in<http://115.114.57.165.static-mumbai.vsnl.net.in/> (115.114.57.165)
> [AS4755]  74.623 ms  78.281 ms  82.352 ms
>  5  if-0-100.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net (180.87.39.25) [*]  299.987 ms
>  300.397 ms  314.175 ms
>  6  if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net (80.231.130.5) [AS6453]  314.573
> ms  264.576 ms  261.030 ms
>  7  Vlan704.icore1.LDN-London.as6453.net<http://vlan704.icore1.ldn-london.as6453.net/>
>  (80.231.130.10) [AS6453]  279.896 ms  280.312 ms *
>  8  Vlan522.icore1.LDN-London.as6453.net<http://vlan522.icore1.ldn-london.as6453.net/> (195.219.83.22)
> [AS6453]  333.651 ms  326.233 ms  330.307 ms
>  9  ae-4.r23.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.40) [AS2914]  323.084
> ms  324.204 ms  329.300 ms
> 10  as-0.r22.osakjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.35) [AS2914]  457.845
> ms  459.011 ms  456.842 ms
> 11  as-0.r20.newthk02.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.7) [AS2914]  495.869
> ms  495.615 ms  496.840 ms
> 12  ae-1.r02.chwahk02.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.131) [AS2914]  476.471
> ms  478.525 ms  478.104 ms
> 13  * * *
> 14  * * *
> 15  * * *
>
>
>
>
> *Router:* gin-mlv-core1
> *Site:* IN, Mumbai - MLV, VSNL
> *Command:* show ip bgp 192.48.79.30
>
>
> BGP routing table entry for *192.48.79.0/24*
> Bestpath Modifiers: deterministic-med
> Paths: (3 available, best #2)
> Multipath: eBGP
>   2914 36631 36631, (aggregated by 36631 203.131.245.40)
>     ldn-icore1. (metric 2991) from mlv-tcore1. (66.110.10.202)
>       Origin IGP, valid, internal
>       Community:
>       Originator: ldn-icore1.  2914 36631 36631, (aggregated by 36631 203.131.245.40)    ldn-icore1. (metric 2991) 
> from cxr-tcore1. (66.110.10.113)      Origin IGP, valid, internal, best      Community:       Originator: ldn-icore1.
>   2914 36631 36631, (aggregated by 36631 203.131.245.40)
>     ldn-icore1. (metric 2991) from mlv-tcore2. (66.110.10.215)
>       Origin IGP, valid, internal
>       Community:
>       Originator: ldn-icore1.
>
>
>
> Path via NTT in all cases.
>
> So Mumbai - London - Japan - HongKong. Very likely because of same old
> problem I mentioned - Tata peers with NTT in London but not Japan.
>
> anurag@laptop:~$ dig j.gtld-servers.net a +short
> 192.48.79.30
>
>
> anurag@laptop:~$ awhois 192.48.79.30
> AS      | IP               | BGP Prefix          | CC | AS Name
> 36631   | 192.48.79.30     | 192.48.79.0/24      | US | ZGTLD - VeriSign
> Global Registry Services
>
>
> http://bgp.he.net/AS36631#_peers
>
>
>
>
> And situation for Airtel isn't better at all for J root. Instead of
> picking NTT, they are using Packnet/AsiaNetcom because Packnet is likely a
> client of Hurricane Electric and Airtel peers with HE.
>
> Mon Mar 12 14:22:49 GMT+05:30 2012
> traceroute 192.48.79.30
>
> Type escape sequence to abort.
> Tracing the route to j.gtld-servers.net (192.48.79.30)
>
>   1 59.145.6.149 [MPLS: Label 800 Exp 0] 288 msec
>     59.145.6.145 [MPLS: Label 800 Exp 0] 284 msec
>     59.145.0.181 [MPLS: Label 1668 Exp 0] 260 msec
>   2 202.56.223.50 [MPLS: Label 308480 Exp 0] 256 msec 256 msec
>     202.56.223.205 [MPLS: Label 311696 Exp 0] 276 msec
>   3 182.79.220.198 [MPLS: Label 1795 Exp 0] 276 msec 276 msec
>     182.79.252.161 [MPLS: Label 1795 Exp 0] 272 msec
>   4 AES-Static-122.36.144.59.airtel.in<http://aes-static-122.36.144.59.airtel.in/> (59.144.36.122)
> 272 msec 272 msec 288 msec
>   5 he.net.coresite.com (206.223.143.122) 288 msec 292 msec 272 msec
>   6 10gigabitethernet2-1.core1.lax1.he.net (72.52.92.121) [AS 6939] 272
> msec 276 msec 288 msec
>   7 pacnet.10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.lax1.he.net (216.218.223.206) [AS
> 6939] 288 msec 288 msec 272 msec
>   8 te0-1-0-0.wr1.nrt0.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.89) [AS 10026] 264 msec
> 264 msec 284 msec
>   9 te0-0-4-0.wr2.nrt0.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.14) [AS 10026] [MPLS:
> Label 16191 Exp 0] 288 msec 292 msec 276 msec
>  10 te0-0-0-0.wr2.osa0.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.2) [AS 10026] [MPLS:
> Label 16002 Exp 0] 276 msec 300 msec 292 msec
>  11 te0-0-4-0.wr1.osa0.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.21) [AS 10026] 292 msec
> 292 msec 276 msec
>  12 te0-1-0-0.wr1.hkg0.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.57) [AS 10026] 272 msec
> 268 msec 288 msec
>  13 ge-4-1-0-0.cr4.hkg3.asianetcom.net (61.14.157.142) [AS 10026] 284
> msec 288 msec 264 msec
>  14 te3-2.gw1.hkg4.asianetcom.net (202.147.16.198) [AS 10026] 336 msec
> 264 msec 284 msec
>  15 VNB-0025.gw1.hkg4.asianetcom.net<http://vnb-0025.gw1.hkg4.asianetcom.net/> (203.192.137.78)
> [AS 10026] 284 msec 288 msec 268 msec
>  16  *  *  *
>
>
>
> Same problem applies on J gTLD server too. It might be having an instance
> in India but since no link to local ISPs or niXi...everyone hears J root in
> Hong Kong.
>
>
>
> Anyone from Verisign or Indian ISPs here for onlist or offlist comments?
>
> Again, I apologize for any wrong conclusions. I am still learning all this
> stuff. Please excuse my ignorance and correct me if you find something.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Peter Losher <plosher () isc org> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 11, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Anurag Bhatia wrote:
> >
> > > Btw coming back to original question - can you put some light on gTLDs
> > in India? Are there any instances? Just to clarify - with gTLD I am
> > refering to .com/net/org primarily.
> >
> > You would have to ask Verisign as operators of the com/net gTLD servers
> > and Afilias for .org about their DNS deployments.  I can only speak for ISC
> > as we operate F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
> >
> > Best Wishes - Peter
> > --
> > [ plosher () isc org | Senior Operations Architect | ISC | PGP E8048D08 ]
>
>
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>
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