Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

[Dave Edelman <dedelman () iname com>]

Dave Edelman


On Jun 15, 2012, at 16:43, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
> > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-criminals-from-police/
> >
> > The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones toward service providers (us):
> >
> >
> >
> > "We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as service providers start to roll out V6."
> >
> > Our fault, no one else's...
> > ------------------------------------
>
> Who else would you blame for failing to update whois?
>
> > "This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a 
> > direct impact on them and their ability to get new address space because they don't need new address space." 
> >
> > Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones.  No one else.
> > ------------------------------------
>
> Again, when it comes to failing to update whois, that's kind of where the buck stops.
>
> > "We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because 
> > otherwise, there will be other things that people are going to consider." 
> >
> > That's definitely a threat.
> > -------------------------------------
>
> Reality is that we have always lived in an environment where adequate self regulation is the only thing that prevents 
> us from being subjected to dramatically worse government-based regulation. So, as it is a threat, it is also a 
> statement of the reality that exists.
>
> Personally, I think that the article is counter-productive for the FBI in what they are trying to achieve.
>
> It is interesting that not one ISP stepped up to say "Our policy is to keep whois up to date for our IPv6 delegations 
> just as we do now with our IPv4 delegations." Had CNET contacted HE, that's the answer they would have received. Is 
> it really so hard?
>
> > "We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work and to have that self-regulation, because, 
> > if not, if all of the different governments then get involved, it could get uglier." 
> >
> > Yeah, that one, too.
> > -------------------------------------
>
> Sure, it's a threat. In case you haven't noticed, threats are the primary tool of law enforcement. The FBI is a law 
> enforcement agency. Nothing to see here. Move along.
>
> > Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation.  Yep.  That's it...
>
> When people carrying guns threaten the community, it does, in fact tend to foster community cooperation, at least at 
> that very moment.
>
> Owen
Compliance maybe, cooperation not really. 

--Dave