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Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right?
From: Zaid Ali <zaid () zaidali com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:06:16 -0800
On 1/5/12 9:34 AM, "Jon Schipp" <jonschipp () gmail com> wrote:
I think there's a fundamental difference between human and civil rights. Human rights come from our humanity, i.e. us being human. As humans, we can walk, talk, produce things, own property, etc. Assuming that isn't true, the next logical question is where do you draw the line? Vehicles are beneficial to society, can they be a human right? If you keep bringing these type of questions up and substitute any good in place of vehicles, you can see how absurd it is. There's no consistency. I think the idea that food, shelter etc. are human rights is absurd. Doesn't that imply that someone must provide those things for me? What if they don't want to? Does that mean they are forced to? Which would be a violation of their human rights.
No, it doesn't mean that someone must provide it for you. It means that "access" must not be denied. Take for example the homeless situation in San Francisco, if the city did not provide shelter for the homeless there would be an outcry our human right violation. If you walk around San Francisco you still see people sleeping in the streets and this is because they choose to but they do have the right to go to a shelter so the city of San Francisco is doing the right thing for basic human right. In India my observation is that people may be really poor but they do not go hungry or denied shelter even though they choose to make it out of a cardboard box. The government makes sure that the lands are protected which is why the slumps are not bulldozed by a developer. This is a good example of human right. Electricity, communication mediums are all things that people get together to bring either as an individual self or a community. Zaid
Current thread:
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right?, (continued)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Dave CROCKER (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Leo Bicknell (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Jay Ashworth (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Leo Bicknell (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Dave Israel (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Leo Bicknell (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Jon Schipp (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 05)
- RE: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Nathan Eisenberg (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Kevin Stange (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Zaid Ali (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Jay Ashworth (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Franck Martin (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Joly MacFie (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Jay Ashworth (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Zaid Ali (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Daniel Staal (Jan 05)
- Re: Whacky Weekend: Is Internet Access a Human Right? Franck Martin (Jan 05)