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Re: Fair Use Policy


From: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6 () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:30:31 -0700

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sean Harlow <sean () seanharlow info> wrote:
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:

An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.

I agree entirely.  The US is not exactly known for great broadband access, particularly where I live in the midwest 
(unless one is in a lucky pocket with FiOS, Google Fiber, or the like), yet I could easily host 200 512kbit/sec 
subscribers off my residential cable connection without even thinking about caps much less throttling on top of caps. 
 It'd be oversubscribed, sure, but most users don't max out the line regularly so I don't think I'd have a problem.  
My mobile phone is through Sprint, known for being the slowest of the national 3G carriers, yet I can exceed 
1mbit/sec in the middle of a corn field miles from anything resembling civilization and again do not have any monthly 
cap.


On a slow connection, "all you can eat" is effectively all "you can sip"

Nonetheless, it appears there are now 2 camps forming where (AT&T +
VZW) want to clamp down access (Facetime?) and increase price

And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro

http://www.pcworld.com/article/261247/tmobile_metropcs_roll_out_unlimited_data_plans.html

These 2 camps also cleanly break into Ma'Bell vs Other

CB

A 5GB cap on 512kbit/sec service could be blown through in under a single day.  That's absurd.  If a 256k user maxed 
out their line all month, they'd have transferred just short of 80GB.  Why in the world would it make sense to limit 
someone to 1/16th of that just for the "privilege" of double speed which is still so slow it's beaten by any 3G 
service?

Wired internet providers should not even be thinking about caps below the 250GB/mo point.  Neither of these example 
speeds can even reach that level, so if you feel the need to cap you are doing it wrong and should rethink your 
business model.  Wireless carriers get a bit more leeway due to spectrum limitations, but even there a 5GB cap is 
barely reasonable for an entry level offering.
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Sean Harlow
sean () seanharlow info




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