Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquisition of a large IPv6 block, but you did not purchase it.

Number resources are not property and cannot be bought and/or sold.

What you pay to ARIN pays for registration services (the registration of the numbers, not the numbers themselves). 
While I realize that in practice this may seem like a distinction without a difference, there are major legal and 
practical implications to this fact that are quite important to the very underpinnings of how the internet works.

Owen

On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:54 AM, -Hammer- wrote:

> I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 block. We've had several large V4 blocks for years 
> and got them with very little effort. For this block, we had to provide a detailed list of all our physical locations 
> as well as how the IP schema would be utilized. I also had to provide site drawings (scrubbed visios) showing my 
> topology layout to justify my additional ASNs. It was not a harsh ordeal. ARIN was very professional about it. But it 
> was a lot more paperwork than what I've needed in the past. None of it seemed unreasonable. We just had to work out 
> NDAs and whatnot so I could share more detailed information with them.
>
> -Hammer-
>
> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
>
>
>
> On 4/25/2012 10:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is required is what
> > has been required for several years. Utilization information and proper justification.
> >
> > If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) information is
> > in fact part of that utilization information.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
> >
> > > Negative..  I have never had to provide end user information.  I have been
> > > required to provide utilization information.  I am sure this "policy" is
> > > and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff<jof () thejof com>  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM,<admin () thecpaneladmin com>  wrote:
> > > > > Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> > > > allocation
> > > > > they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
> > > > allocations,
> > > > > which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
> > > > > that this is standard process and something that everyone does when
> > > > > requesting IPs.  Has anyone actually had to do this?
> > > > Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and egg
> > > > problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for asking
> > > > for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So, organizations
> > > > must first get some space assigned to them from an upstream provider
> > > > and begin using it.
> > > > At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned space
> > > > will justify a direct allocation.
> > > >
> > > > Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally independent.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > jof
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kenneth McRae
> > > *Sr. Network Engineer*
> > > kenneth.mcrae () dreamhost com
> > > Ph: 323-375-3814
> > > www.dreamhost.com