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Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network
From: Paul Vixie <vixie () isc org>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 01:03:20 +0000
Benson Schliesser <bensons () queuefull net> writes:
Hi, Paul.
sorry for the delay. i'll include the entirety of this short thread.
For what it's worth, I agree that ARIN has a pretty good governance structure. (With the exception of NomCom this year, which is shamefully unbalanced.) ...as the chairman of the 2011 ARIN NomCom, i hope you'll explain further, either publically here, or privately, as you prefer.My understanding is that the NomCom consists of 7 people. Of those, 2 come from the board and 2 come from the AC. Together, those 4 members of the existing establishment choose the remaining 3 NomCom members. In the past, there was at least the appearance of random selection for some of the NomCom members. But in any case, due to its composition, the NomCom has the appearance of a body biased in favor of the existing establishment. Please correct any misunderstanding that I might have. Otherwise, I encourage an update to the structure of future NomComs.
can you explain what it was about prior nomcoms that gave the appearance of random selection? to the best of my knowledge, including knowledge i gained as chair of the 2008 ARIN NomCom, we've been doing it the same way for quite a while now. so i do not understand your reference to "at least the appearance of random selection" in the past. since ARIN members-in-good-standing elect the board and advisory council, and also make up three of the four seats of the nominations committee, i do not share your view on "bias" as expressed above. i think it shows that ARIN is clearly governed by its members -- which is as it should be. by your two references to "the existing establishment" do you intend to imply that ARIN's members don't currently have the establishment that they want, or that they could not change this establishment if they wanted to, or that ARIN's members are themselves part of "the existing establishment" in some way that's bad? ARIN's bylaws firmly place control of ARIN into the hands of its members. if you think that's the wrong approach, i'm curious to hear your reasoning and your proposed alternative. -- Paul Vixie KI6YSY
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- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Paul Vixie (Sep 22)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Benson Schliesser (Sep 22)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Paul Vixie (Sep 22)
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- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network John Curran (Sep 23)
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