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Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network
From: Dorn Hetzel <dorn () hetzel org>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:13:57 -0400
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net>wrote:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote:Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net> said:In the way that you are apparently incapable of reading what waswritten. Jon very clearly states that if the GRE tunnel goes over the same physical infrastructure, it is not multihoming. Then you go on to explain how you have two physical lines.Devil's advocate: if you have links to two carriers, but they are delivered via the same LEC on the same fiber, are you multihomed? What about if you have two LECs at your facility, but the two circuits share a common path elsewhere (outside of your knowledge)?Fair question. As a customer, if your two transit circuits are in the same conduit, I do not consider that redundant. However, I believe the spirit of the NRPM is clear. Two circuits in the same conduit would qualify, one circuit with two BGP sessions does not. As has been famously and repeatedly mentioned here and just about everywhere else John is subscribed, ARIN is a VERY open organization. If you disagree with the NRPM, or even with an interpretation of it, feel free to offer up new language that would better fit your view. If the community agrees, POOF!, you have a new rule. Ok, I would propose something like:
"full time connection to two or more providers" should be satisfied when the network involved has (or has contracted for and will have) two or more connections that are diverse from each other at ANY point in their path between the end network location or locations and the far end BGP peers, whether or not the two or more connections are exposed to one or more common points of failure, as long as their are any failure modes for which one connection can provide protection against that failure mode somewhere in the other connection. Whew :) I am sure someone can say it better! -Dorn
Current thread:
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network, (continued)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Jon Lewis (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Dorn Hetzel (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Charles N Wyble (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Dorn Hetzel (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Seth Mattinen (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Patrick W. Gilmore (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Chris Adams (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Patrick W. Gilmore (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Dorn Hetzel (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 20)
- What's a reasonable attack surface? (was: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper yada yada) Jay Ashworth (Sep 20)
- Re: What's a reasonable attack surface? (was: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper yada yada) Keegan Holley (Sep 21)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Brett Frankenberger (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Dorn Hetzel (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Owen DeLong (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network Matthew Kaufman (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network -- ENOUGH ALREADY! Bill P (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network -- ENOUGH ALREADY! Bret Palsson (Sep 20)
- Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network -- ENOUGH ALREADY! Charles N Wyble (Sep 21)