Re: Arguing against using public IP space

[William Herrin <bill () herrin us>]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:50 PM, McCall, Gabriel
<Gabriel.McCall () thyssenkrupp com> wrote:
> Chuck, you're right that this should not happen- but
> the reason it should not happen is because you have
> a properly functioning stateful firewall, not because
> you're using NAT. If your firewall is working properly,
> then having public addresses behind it is no less secure
> than private. And if your firewall is not working properly,
> then having private addresses behind it is no
> more secure than public. In either case, NAT gains
> you nothing over what you'd have with a firewalled
> public-address subnet.
>
> The fact that consumer cpe's typically do both nat
> and stateful firewalling does not mean that those
> functions are inseparable.

Gabriel,

This is not accurate.

First, many:1 NAT (sometimes also called PAT) is not separable from a
stateful firewall. You can build a stateful firewall without
many-to-one NAT but the reverse is not possible.

Second, while a security benefit from RFC 1918 addressing combined
with 1:1 NAT is dubious at best, the same is not true for the much
more commonly implemented many:1 NAT.

With RFC1918 plus many:1 NAT, most if not all functions of the
interior of the network are not addressable from far locations outside
the network, regardless of the correct or incorrect operation of the
security apparatus. This is an additional boundary which must be
bypassed in order to gain access to the network interior. While there
are a variety of techniques for circumventing this boundary no
combination of them guarantees successful breach. Hence it provides a
security benefit all on its own.

You would not rely on NAT+RFC1918 alone to secure a network and
neither would I. However, that's far from meaning that the use of
RFC1918 is never (or even rarely) operative in a network's security
process.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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