Re: Nexus emulation? Anyone?

[-Hammer- <bhmccie () gmail com>]

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

I understand that resources would be required to support such an effort. 
I was more or less implying that if it's done Internally it probably 
won't be long before someone comes up with a way to do it (Dynamips part 
deux) for the public. Not supported by Cisco.

I don't see how it can hurt Cisco to have people wanting to run their 
stuff for learning/training/validation purposes in a virtual 
environment. But that is a whole different thread.

-Hammer-

"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer



On 12/20/2011 12:31 PM, Tim Stevenson wrote:
> At 10:18 AM 12/20/2011, -Hammer- gushed:
>
> > Doesn't "Titanium" achieve this for you? I know. It's Internal. But it
> > simulates the 7k. Or am I getting it backwards?
>
> Titanium is basically the NXOS control plane, sans data plane. It's 
> the "platform independent" part of the OS.
>
>
> > My point is that if Cisco already simulates it Internally it's only a
> > matter of time before someone ports something....
>
> Not saying whether it's right or wrong, but maintaining, releasing, & 
> supporting it would require resources, which as you can imagine get 
> prioritized onto other things.
>
> Tim
>
>
> > -Hammer-
> >
> > "I was a normal American nerd"
> > -Jack Herer
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/20/2011 12:19 PM, David Sinn wrote:
> > > I don't think anyone is asking for a full simulation of the 
> > platform in software, that is how the actual ASIC's operate.  That is 
> > probably best for an entirely different conversation.
> > >
> > > But there is huge need to simulate the control-plane functionally 
> > with a basic forwarding ability (not performant, but pass packets 
> > correctly such that you can verify the topology).  This is something 
> > Dyanmips does great in emulating a cluster of 7200's and allows 
> > operators to validate topologies and planned changes in mainstream 
> > IOS platforms.  Having that for NX-OS would increase the adoption and 
> > confidence in the platform.  VM's on multiple boxes make simulating a 
> > whole network of a given platform simple and easy.
> > >
> > >  From the outside Cisco continues to miss the need for this.  At 
> > least some of the other vendors are picking up how helpful this and 
> > are reacting positively to it.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > <I've been ranting about this to my account team and Nexus 
> > management for a while now, so sorry if this is a duplicate you've 
> > already seen.>
> > >
> > > On Dec 20, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Tim Stevenson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> You couldn't use Titanium to judge/discuss the nexus family as a 
> > whole either. Aside from 1KV, all the nexus products use ASIC 
> > hardware specific to that platform/linecard and no NXOS software 
> > emulator exists that mimics those behaviors.
> > >>
> > >> 2 cents,
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >> At 09:34 AM 12/20/2011, Luan Nguyen gushed:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> You can't use the software switch Nexus 1000V to judge/discuss 
> > the Nexus
> > >>> family products N7K, N5K...etc as a whole?
> > >>>
> > >>> Check out this discussion
> > >>> 
> > <<https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/2054884>https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/2054884>https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/2054884 
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> Titanium as they call the NX-OS simulator is not available to the 
> > public
> > >>> though...
> > >>>
> > >>> -Luan
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM, -Hammer-<bhmccie () gmail com>  
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Bah. Look like I need more of an education on Nexus in general. 
> > Thanks for
> > >>>> the easy pointer.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Hammer-
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "I was a normal American nerd"
> > >>>> -Jack Herer
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 12/20/2011 11:02 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 20/12/2011 13:55, -Hammer- wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I know we can't throw NX code on Dynamips but I figured I 
> > would ask the
> > >>>>>> group anyway. We are starting to discuss Nexus platform 
> > options and I can
> > >>>>>> only get so much from demo depot before our AM gets whiny. Is 
> > anyone
> > >>>>>> currently emulating Nexus on anything that is open to the public?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> nexus1k?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Nick
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Tim Stevenson, tstevens () cisco com
> > >> Routing&  Switching CCIE #5561
> > >> Distinguished Technical Marketing Engineer, Cisco Nexus 7000
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> Tim Stevenson, tstevens () cisco com
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> Distinguished Technical Marketing Engineer, Cisco Nexus 7000
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