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Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!]
From: Malte von dem Hagen <mvh () hosteurope de>
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 01:44:10 +0100
Hi, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote on Mi, 2011-12-07 at 00:59+0100:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:07:47 EST, Dan Collins said:On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:45 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:30:20 PST, "andrew.wallace" said:It could be argued that Nmap is malware, and such software has already been called to be made illegal.Called by whom, other than yourself?Germany? http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/new_german_hack.htmlI rest my case. ;) Anybody know if they ever fixed their law?
not really. There have been some highest court decisions regarding this law saying the criminal liability depends on the intention someone produces or owns such tools - German jurisprudence is much more than the wording of the written law (though we have a lot of written laws, including many very strange ones). ;-) De facto, everybody in the industry continues to use "dual use" tools without fear of punishment and I am not aware of any dubious court decisions - the law was created for clearly illegal uses of such tools. Nontheless, as said by others, "hacker tools" != "malware". Regards, Malte -- Malte von dem Hagen Head of Network Engineering & Operations ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Host Europe GmbH - http://www.hosteurope.de Welserstraße 14 - 51149 Köln - Germany Telefon: 0800 467 8387 - Fax: +49 180 5 66 3233 (*) HRB 28495 Amtsgericht Köln - USt-IdNr.: DE187370678 Geschäftsführer: Patrick Pulvermüller, Thomas Vollrath (*) 0,14 EUR/Min. aus dem dt. Festnetz; maximal 0,42 EUR/Min. aus den dt. Mobilfunknetzen
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- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Ray Soucy (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Dan Collins (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Edward Dore (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Malte von dem Hagen (Dec 06)
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- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Bryan Fields (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] andrew.wallace (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] TR Shaw (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Michael Thomas (Dec 06)
- Re: [fyodor () insecure org: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware!] Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 06)
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