Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

[Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon () cox net>]

On 6/8/2010 15:44, J. Oquendo wrote:
> Brielle Bruns wrote:
> > Problem is, there's no financial penalties for providers who ignore
> > abuse coming from their network.
> >
> > DNSbl lists work only because after a while, providers can't ignore
> > their customer complaints and exodus when they dig deep into the
> > bottom line.
> >
> > We've got several large scale IP blocks in place in the AHBL due to
> > this exact problem - providers know there's abuse going on, they won't
> > terminate the customers or deal with it, because they are more then
> > happy to take money.
> >
> > Legit customers get caught in the cross-fire, and they suffer - but at
> > the same time, those legit customers are the only ones that will be
> > able to force a change on said provider.
> >
> > They contact us, and act all innocent, and tell people we're being
> > unreasonable, neglecting to tell people at the same time that the
> > 'unreasonable' DNSbl maintainer only wants for them to do a simple
> > task that thousands of other providers and administrators have done
> > before.
> I know it's akin to Apples and Oranges but maybe a "network forfeiture"
> (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f054.htm) clause be drafted. Surely there
> should be no outcry for stating: "If your network is dirty, its gone
> including all your equipment" I wonder how fast some network operators
> would have their networks. Again, re-visiting re-hashed threads:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/nanog () merit edu/msg50472.html
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/nanog () merit edu/msg50472.html) Surely a
> vast majority have to be tired of the garbage coming from your own
> networks and others. I can tell you I'm tired of my phone ringing
> because some tollfraudster keeps thinking he's making uber calls when
> he's stuck in one of my honeypots.

I have for what, 20 years? been begging for vendors to provide clean
service.

But there is no hurry, the world government (spare me the the tin hats
thing.  Have you noticed what is going on in Washington lately?) will
take care of it.
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Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting
the vote.

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