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Re: I don't need no stinking firewall!
From: Mark Smith <nanog () 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc nosense org>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 01:16:43 +1030
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 04:53:17 +0000 "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins () arbor net> wrote:
On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, George Bonser wrote:Yes, you have to take some of the things that were done in one spot and do them in different locations now, but the results are an amazing increase in service capacity per dollar spent on infrastructure.I strongly agree with the majority of your comments, with the caveat that I've seen many, many load-balancers fall over due to state-exhaustion, too; load-balancers need northbound protection from DDoS (S/RTBH, flow-spec, IDMS, et. al.), as well.
And that is the crux of the matter. Any time you maintain state in the network (e.g. stateful firewalls), you're vulnerable to traffic based attacks that can exhaust that state. The Internet is scalable because the (soft) state that it maintains, namely route tables, isn't dependent on or influenced by the traffic that is forwarded through it. Hosts have to maintain state about their connections - there is no choice. However, the more you're able to push state tracking to the hosts, you end up with less consequences of state targeted attacks, and more scalable architectures.
Current thread:
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall!, (continued)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 08)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Joe Greco (Jan 08)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! James Hess (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Dobbins, Roland (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! William Herrin (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! William Herrin (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! James Hess (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Dobbins, Roland (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Joe Greco (Jan 10)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Joel Jaeggli (Jan 08)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Mark Smith (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! William Pitcock (Jan 05)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Joe Greco (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Ryan Brooks (Jan 05)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 06)
- RE: I don't need no stinking firewall! Brian Johnson (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Jared Mauch (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Dobbins, Roland (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! juttazalud (Jan 06)
- Re: I don't need no stinking firewall! Dobbins, Roland (Jan 06)