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Re: Over a decade of DDOS--any progress yet?


From: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins () arbor net>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:19:38 +0000


On Dec 6, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:

Other than buying lots of bandwidth and scrubber boxes, have any other DDOS attack vectors been stopped or rendered 
useless during the last 
decade?


These .pdf presos pretty much express my view of the situation, though I do need to rev the first one:

<https://files.me.com/roland.dobbins/y4ykq0>

<https://files.me.com/roland.dobbins/k54qkv>

<https://files.me.com/roland.dobbins/j0a4sk>

The bottom line is that there are BCPs that help, but which many folks don't seem to deploy, and then there's little or 
no thought at all given to maintaining availability when it comes to server/service/app architecture and operations, 
except by the major players who'd been through the wringer and invest the time and resources to increase their 
resilience to attack.

Of course, the fundamental flaws in the quarter-century old protocol stack we're running, with all the same problems 
plus new ones carried over into IPv6, are still there.  Couple that with the brittleness, fragility, and insecurity of 
the DNS & BGP, and the fact that the miscreants have near-infinite resources at their disposal, and the picture isn't 
pretty.

And nowadays, the attackers are even more organized and highly motivated (OC, financial/ideological) and therefore more 
highly incentivized to innovate, the tools are easy enough for most anyone to make use of them, and tthe services/apps 
they attack are now of real importance to ordinary people. 

So, while the state of the art in defense has improved, the state of the art and resources available to the attackers 
have also dramatically improved, and the overall level of indifference to the importance of maintaining availability is 
unchanged - so the overall situation itself is considerably worse, IMHO.  The only saving grace is that the bad guys 
often make so much money via identity theft, click-fraud, spam, and corporate/arm's-length governmental espionage that 
they'd rather keep the networks/services/servers/apps/endpoints up and running so that they can continue to monetize 
them in other ways.

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