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Re: Cheap home CPE troubles


From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:53:29 -0800


On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Mike wrote:

Hi,

      Well as is customary in our part of the country (Northern California), with the stormy weather comes brownouts 
and blackouts comes a massive influx of end users with locked up and malfunctioning home networking equipment. Every 
single time the power sneezes, massive waves of customers just 'go down' and then I get to pick the pieces all up by 
talking to each individual and instructing them how to pull the power and then plug it back in, or worse, their cpe 
needs to have it's settings restored since the internal flash memories got cleared or corrupted.

Yep...

      We see this in the cheap home gear all the time. Makes me mad since linksys/netgear/motorola got away with the 
customers money and incurs ZERO support costs or any apparent liability for their product, where we in turn get to 
deal with upset subscribers who have been 'down for days...' while all the time the solution - powercycling - was 
within reach.

I think your only option potentially effective option would be to engage the great american tradition of legal 
reparations. (IOW, sue them for causing you harm by unleashing a product with a known defect and foreseeable harmful 
consequences).

      Is there anyone who has a script or process or policy concerning unreliable customer equipments and how to 
effectively deal with unsophisticated home users? I mean, users with business oriented gear (eg: cisco 26xx, 8xx, 
pix, and the like), and doubly especially those with working standby UPS, we never ever hear from and they have 
extreme uptimes, but home users aren't willing to hear $500 - $800 in gear is required to 'make it work all the 
time'. They interpret that to mean that there's just something wrong with us since WE 'require' such expensive and 
exotic equipment in order to work right, and they would be better off somewhere else.

Amusingly, I could turn this around in my situation... My gear comes from the providers in both cases. In one case, I 
purchased the cheap DSL modem from
the provider (which, admittedly, has been rock solid through many power outages). In the other case, I'm renting the 
CMTS box from Comcast which doesn't
even require a power failure to lose its mind periodically. (Apparently there is a known problem where every time 
Comcast does a firmware update to the
boxes, N% of them loose their minds). Arguably, at $5/month, over the life of my service I will likely pay quite a bit 
more for the CMTS box than I did for the DSL modem ($40). In fact, being a little more than a year since I got Comcast 
Business Class, I have already done so.

Indeed, the running joke is "I need fast reliable internet service, so, I get fast service from Comcast and Reliable 
service from Raw Bandwidth."
Unfortunately, as amusing as the quip may be, it's also an absolutely true statement about my network.

Owen



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