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Re: ISP port blocking practice


From: Jon Kibler <Jon.Kibler () aset com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:14:17 -0400

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Steve Bertrand wrote:
Jon Kibler wrote:
To answer that question, I would start with ingress and egress filtering by IP
address, protocol, etc.:
   1) Never allow traffic to egress any subnet unless its source IP address is
within that subnet range.

Sorry to nit, but shouldn't your uRPF setup take care of this (and many
other of your list items), long before ACL?

It's absolutely great if you have your list implemented, but imho, all
ISP's, no matter how small should investigate and implement urpf. It's
especially fun to play with RTBH.

To be honest, the smaller you are, the easier it is to implement (ie.
urpf strict everywhere!  :)

Steve


Agree for the most part. However:

1) The overwhelming majority of routers I have audited do not have uRPF
implemented and most admins do not comprehend it, but they do comprehend
(usually) ACLs.

2) L3 switching does not always support it, leaving potential for abuse if the
network has any donut holes.

3) uRPF works best on egress but does little on outside ingress (e.g., bogons).

4) Defense in depth dictates using more than one way to detect an attack, so use
both ACLs and uRPF.

Jon
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