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Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients
From: "Wayne E. Bouchard" <web () typo org>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:09:40 -0700
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 03:55:02PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Barry Shein wrote:Perhaps someone has said this but a potential implementation problem in the US are anti-trust regulations. Sure, they may come around to seeing it your way since the intent is so good but then again "we all decided to get together and blacklist customers who..." is not a great elevator pitch to an attorney-general no matter how good the intent.That's not what is being discussed from my understanding. From my understanding, the intent is to share names of known abusers and data necessary to help in tracking DDOS. I don't believe that any ISP is expected to necessarily take any particular action determined by the group with respect to the list of names they are given. I do think that it is reasonable to have an agreement among an industry organization or collaboration which states that ISPs which determine that abuse is being sourced from one of their customers (either through their own processes or by notification from another participant) should be expected to take the necessary steps to mitigate that abuse from exiting said ISPs autonomous system.
In a way, this is kind of like stores keeping a list of bad check writers. The whole information sharing thing can get more than a little touchy from a legal perspective. Then again, an independant database could also be viewed as a sort of internet credit agency. Stuff in a name, get a score back and certain flags and make your judgement based on that. "I'm sorry, I can't give you an email account. Your internet-karma rating came back below our minimum levels." -Wayne --- Wayne Bouchard web () typo org Network Dude http://www.typo.org/~web/
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- Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Gadi Evron (Oct 03)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Peter Beckman (Oct 03)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Owen DeLong (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Rich Kulawiec (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barton F Bruce (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Gadi Evron (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barry Shein (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Owen DeLong (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Wayne E. Bouchard (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Owen DeLong (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Eugeniu Patrascu (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Gadi Evron (Oct 06)
- RE: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibilityfor bottedclients Barry Raveendran Greene (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Peter Beckman (Oct 03)
- RE: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients lee (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Owen DeLong (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients mark [at] edgewire (Oct 06)
- Up Next: Quarantine Phishing (Was: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients) Jeroen Massar (Oct 06)
- Re: Up Next: Quarantine Phishing (Was: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients) Sean Donelan (Oct 07)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barry Shein (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Peter Beckman (Oct 08)