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RE: Wireless bridge
From: "John van Oppen" <john () vanoppen com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:34:19 -0700
To come up with an accurate recommendation one really needs to know your budget, on that distance speeds up to 1 gbit/sec are possible if you spend enough on the radios... Do you have some cost and desired throughput parameters to guide everyone's recommendations? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Huffman [mailto:Tim () bobbroadband com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:27 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: RE: Wireless bridge
The line of sight is all clear, no trees. Only one building along the
way
has a rooftop of similar height, but the antennas are extended far
above
the roofline. We have used a rifle scope to confirm line of sight is all
clear
at all angles.
Unfortunately, you can't necessarily rely on visual line of sight. At 800meters, the Fresnel Zone on your radio is about 14ft in diameter at the midpoint. You need to make sure that this is free of obstructions.
Oh I know. Luckily it's located in an industrial area just on the outskirts of the city. There isn't a lot of other WiFi (in my opinion); 3-5
total
SSIDs spread across 2 of the 3 physical channels (1,6,11) depending on which rooftop you measure from.
Make sure you're using the channel that doesn't have an AP on it!
Bandwidth requirements aren't too picky. If it can handle minimum 9
Mbps
full-duplex everyone will be happy. Of course, the faster the better. I don't know if it makes a difference or not but this is all taking
place
in Canada. I don't know of any regulations drastically different from the U.S's regarding frequency use here. The biggest problem I've ever had though
has
just been payment/shipping depending on the supplier (some don't ship
to
Canada or are very specific about payment methods!).
Canadian and US regulations are very similar in the unlicensed bands. I'd still pick 5.2GHz if you were replacing the radio.
Just to answer a few more questions I've been getting, the access
points
are located inside, connected to a small UPS. The antenna wire is a very
thick
coax up to the roof, BNC connectors to the access point and I'm fairly certain BNC connectors on the antenna end as well. I'll double check grounding on the poles but I'm somewhat afraid to turn it into a
lightning
rod. I'm fairly certain that the ground in the antenna wire is clean
but
again, something to double check.
How long is your cable run, and what kind of cable is it? It's probably LMR-400 (the most common) loses about 6.6dB of your signal for every 100 feet. Also, you should check the waterproofing on the connector at the antenna. We normally use a 'courtesy wrap' of electrical tape, followed by a thick layer of Mastic tape, followed by another layer of electrical tape. Also, check your cable for nicks or kinks.
Rain/moisture doesn't seem to cause problems. In fact the connection
is
more reliable through the winter. The last 2 months here have been
cold/warm,
dry/wet and there's been no pattern to the stability issues. The only correlation between weather and stability that they have noticed there
is
lightning related.
Moisture in the cables doesn't necessarily show up during rain! That moisture can seep throughout the cable, and cause attenuation when it gets cool and the moisture condenses, for example. You haven't said what kind of antennas you are using, but if they are yagi's, they probably have very poor back-to-front ratios, which means that you could be picking up interference from behind you, or on the sides, especially if the antennas are up above the tree cover. You might try horizontal polarization on the antennas (just rotate them 90 degrees, but make sure you do it on BOTH sides!) to see if that helps. Cross-polarization is usually good for about 20dB of noise rejection. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any pattern to your loss means that it's probably either interference (somebody changing channels), hardware failure, or software failure. Hope this helps. -- Tim Huffman Director of Engineering Business Only Broadband, LLC O (630) 590-6012 C (630) 340-1925 tim () bobbroadband com www.bobbroadband.com
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- Re: Wireless bridge, (continued)
- Re: Wireless bridge Charles Wyble (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Michael Dillon (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Peter Boone (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Lyndon Nerenberg (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Peter Boone (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Peter Boone (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Joel Jaeggli (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Peter Boone (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Curtis Maurand (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Charles Wyble (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Tim Huffman (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge John van Oppen (Jun 18)
- RE: Wireless bridge Bret Clark (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Neil Harris (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Chris Adams (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Jay Hennigan (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Joel Jaeggli (Jun 18)
- Re: Wireless bridge Bret Clark (Jun 19)