Re: AT&T. Layer 6-8 needed.

["Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>]

On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:04 AM, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:

> Because most of the net libertarians insist that they should do
> whatever they want and everyone else should help cater to them.
>
> Liberty for me but not for thee.

I am very much of the "my network, my rules" camp.

As soon as att pays back all the gov't subsidies, tax credits, etc., - 
we- paid them, they can call it -their- network.

Until then, things are a lot murkier.

--
TTFN,
patrick


> On 7/27/09, Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, William Pitcock wrote:
> >
> > > It is widely known that AT&T loves censorship.  They love censorship
> > > because it is profitable for them to love censorship, and this  
> > > isn't the
> > > first time they have enmasse blocked access to a website they didn't
> > > like.  This has nothing at all to do with forged ACK responses, and
> > > everything to do with content.
> >
> > How does breaking things (censorship) make them more money?
> >
> > http://njabl.org/faq.html#Q12
> >
> > > AT&T does not have the right to filter what their users can access,
> > > period.  You can put all the spin on it that you want, but in the  
> > > end
> > > it's about content.
> >
> > Whatever happened to "My network, my rules?"  If AT&T blocks  
> > something,
> > and as an AT&T customer, you don't like it, get your connectivity  
> > from
> > someone else.
> >
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