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Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?]
From: Randy Bush <randy () psg com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:44:21 -0700
and a large chunk of Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now.I keep hearing this, but could you indicate what parts of Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now? I'm aware, for example, that NTT is using IPv6 for their FLETS service, but that is an internal transport service not connected to the Internet. I'm unaware (but would be very interested in hearing about) any service in Asia or Europe that is seeing significant IPv6 traffic.
you mean aside from the ipv6 forum mailing list? [ note that ipv6 forum members do not actually run ipv6, they just think other people should. ] the stats i am seeing, and they are not really great measurements, but they're what we have, are coming up on 1% ipv6 traffic. and this is pretty much the same asia, europe, and north america, with less down south.
My understanding is that there are lots of bits and pieces that are missing in the infrastructure, but that's almost irrelevant. What is _really_ missing is content accessible over IPv6 as it results in the chicken-or-egg problem: without content, few customers will request IPv6. Without customer requests for IPv6, it's hard to make the business case to deploy the infrastructure to support it. Without infrastructure to support IPv6, it's hard to make the business case to deploy content on top of IPv6.
actally, drc, here is where you and i diverge. there will never be demand for ipv6 from the end user. they just want their mtv, and do not care if it comes on ipv4, ipv6, or donkey-back. it is we operators, and the enterprise base, which will feel the ipv4 squeeze and need to seek alternatives. and, imiho, ipv6 is the preferable alternative we have today. and it is we the operators who get to make it deployable so that the customers will not have to care how their mtv is delivered. and the chicks ain't free. randy
Current thread:
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?], (continued)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Pekka Savola (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Leo Bicknell (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] David Barak (Mar 13)
- v4 exhaustion and v6 impact [Re: cost of dual-stack vs v6-only] Pekka Savola (Mar 13)
- Re: v4 exhaustion and v6 impact [Re: cost of dual-stack vs v6-only] Owen DeLong (Mar 13)
- Re: v4 exhaustion and v6 impact [Re: cost of dual-stack vs v6-only] Pekka Savola (Mar 13)
- Re: v4 exhaustion and v6 impact [Re: cost of dual-stack vs v6-only] David Conrad (Mar 13)
- RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Jamie Bowden (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] David Conrad (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] John Curran (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Randy Bush (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] David Conrad (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Stuart Henderson (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Andrew Burnette (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] David Conrad (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Justin M. Streiner (Mar 13)
- Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] Kevin Oberman (Mar 13)
- RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] michael.dillon (Mar 14)
- RE: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?] michael.dillon (Mar 14)