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Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?


From: Randy Bush <randy () psg com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:32:31 +0900


Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Barry Shein <bzs () world std com>
wrote:
The lesson one should get from all this is that the ultimate harm
of spammers et al is that they are succeeding in corrupting the
idea of a standards-based internet.

huh?  i think that, with their attacks, they are actually helping to
drive improvements in the standards.  of course, the disfunction of
the standards organizations does not make this as clean a process and as
much of a win as it could be.  but considering that security was not
very thoroughly designed in the original standards, we're not doing all
that badly.  it's always gonna be a chase.

The lesson here is that different groups at the same ISPs go to
different places

i am not sure that is so much a lesson as an observation.  the lesson
may be, in part, that this is sub-optimal.  can it be changed?  how?

Packet pushers go to *NOG.  And the abuse desks mostly all go to 
MAAWG.  And any CERTs / security types the ISP has go to FIRST and 
related events.  And most of them never do coordinate internally, run
by different groups probably in different cities ...

"dear coo/ceo/whomever: i want approval to send the five folk who go to
nanog, and the five folk who go to maawg, and the five folk who go to
first to *all* go to the new frobnitz joint conference."

think that'll fly?

otoh, being on the frobnitz program committee would be an interesting
lesson and exercise in industry physics.

when i first joined acm ('67), i could keep up with a significant
portion of the literature.  now i maybe see a single digit percentage.
the field has broadened.  the ops and other applied areas have similarly
broadened and specialized.  we are victims of our own success.

randy


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