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Re: Long-haul protected services: (was: Re: Bee attack, fiber cut, 7-hour outage)


From: "Bill Stewart" <nonobvious () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:06:42 -0700


On 9/21/07, Deepak Jain <deepak () ai net> wrote:
However, when I see "Location of Maintenance: France" and a 5 minute
outage for a protected SONET service on a supposedly redundant, high
quality International voice/data network... well, let's just say I'm not
impressed -- on 36 hrs notice, no less.

I can't do anything with respect to an SLA since there is advanced
notice, but isn't it reasonable to assume that in this day-and-age
running a properly protected T3 isn't *that hard* anymore????
Especially in advance -- you know, shunt the traffic to one your other
circuits because, you know, you are supposed to have this massive network.

Typically for a service like that, the carrier would have one or more
long-haul rings,
either SONET or DWDM with the SONET on top of it or something,
interconnected to access rings from a local access carrier at each end,
either close to the customer endpoint or possibly back at regional
interconnects.
The long-haul carrier might not control the local access carrier
except through an SLA,
so it could be that the local carrier messed up.  One hopes that the
interconnections
between the networks are also at diverse POPs (at least for big
countries like France),
but it is possible for the interconnections to fail clumsily.

The "shunt the traffic to other circuits" approach is naively correct,
but I've seen more than one case of "discover that one side of an
access ring has failed
by shunting the traffic from the other side to do maintenance and
having a customer call you
a couple of minutes later to report an outage at their headquarters",
which is absolutely never supposed to happen, of course :-)

What a 5-minute outage sounds like to me is "The early-90s T3-based
restoration system
recovered the circuit on an end-to-end basis using DACSs instead of
SONET restoring it",
but I'd be surprised to see than happening at a newer carrier like
Vendor L who built most of their network after SONET technology became
affordable.

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             Thanks;     Bill

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