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Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
From: Joe Provo <nanog-post () rsuc gweep net>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:34:00 -0400
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 03:13:42AM +0000, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
According to http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/ Comcast's blocking affects connections to non-Comcast users. This means that they're trying to manage their upstream connections, not the local loop.
Disagree - despite Comcast's size, there's more "Internet" outside of them than on-net. Even with decent knobs, these devices are more blunt instruments than anyone would like. See my previous comments regarding allowing the on-net to on-net (or within region, or whatever BGP community you use...) such that transfers with better RTT to complete quicker. Everyone who is commenting on "This tracker/client does $foo to behave" is missing the point - would one rather have the traffic snooped further to see if such and such tracker/client is in use? And pay for the admin overhead required to keep those non-automatable lists updated? Adrian hit it on the head regarding the generations of kittens romping free... While I expect end-users to miss the boat that providers use stat-mux calculations to build and price their networks, I'm floored to see the sentiment on NANOG. No edge provider of geographic scope/scale will survive if 1:1 ratios were built and priced accordingly. Perhaps the M&A colonialism era is coming to a close and smaller, regional nation- states... erm last-mile providers will be the entities to grow with satisfied customers? Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
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- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets), (continued)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Dave Pooser (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Steve Gibbard (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 25)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Frank Bulk (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Joel Jaeggli (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 22)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Steven M. Bellovin (Oct 22)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Joe Provo (Oct 23)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Leo Bicknell (Oct 23)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 23)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Brian Raaen (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Joe Greco (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Dorn Hetzel (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Carpenter, Jason (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Frank Bulk (Oct 24)
- RE: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets Adrian Chadd (Oct 24)