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Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)
From: Tom Vest <tvest () pch net>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:01:51 +0200
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM -0400, David Andersen wrote:The Washington Post article claims that:[snip]b) Fresh new wire installed after WWIII have to wonder what percentage of the population is using phone lines installed before WWII? I live in a suburb that didn't exist 20 years ago other than maybe 50 buildings around the train depot. My neighborhood did not exist 10 years ago, it was a cow pasture. Where's all this old cable? While I'm sure you can find some row houses in $big_city that have old copper I find it hard to believe that "pre WWII wire" is holding us back. Wasn't it Sprint back in like 1982 or 1984 made a big deal about their entire long haul network being converted to fiber?In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:44:34PM -0500, Frank Bulk wrote:A lot of the MDUs and apartment buildings in Japan are doing fiber to the basement and then VDSL or VDSL2 in the building, or even Ethernet. That'show symmetrical bandwidth is possible. Considering that much of thepopulation does not live in high-rises, this doesn't easily apply to theU.S. population.
Ever been in an earthquake in Japan? The population density is indeed much higher, but it's not primarily because of concentration in very large highrises, but rather because of much smaller floorspace per capita, and no yards to speak of.
You're mixing JP up with places like HK and KR... TV
While the US does not have as high a percentage in high rises, let's look at the part that is "in the right place". What percentage of US high rises have fiber to the basement and high speed Internet offered to residents? Shouldn't NYC be on par with Tokyo by this point? Chicago? Miami? Doesn't the same model work for low rise apartments, the kind found in suburbia all across the US? Why don't any of them have building provided services, rather relying on cable modems for ADSL all the way back to the CO? Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like should be eager to offer it; but don't. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell () ufp org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request () tmbg org, www.tmbg.org
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- Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets), (continued)
- Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) David Andersen (Oct 22)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Jeff Shultz (Oct 22)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) David Andersen (Oct 22)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Chris Adams (Oct 22)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Dragos Ruiu (Oct 22)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 23)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 23)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 23)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Joe Greco (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Leo Bicknell (Oct 23)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 23)
- neighborhood densities (was: Internet Access in Japan, was: something else) David Barak (Oct 23)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Henry Yen (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Larry Smith (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Dave Pooser (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Steve Gibbard (Oct 24)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Rod Beck (Oct 24)
- Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Tom Vest (Oct 25)
- RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets) Frank Bulk (Oct 24)