Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)

[bmanning () vacation karoshi com]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 01:57:15PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote:
> > On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:15 AM, John Curran wrote:
> > > What happens if folks can somehow obtain IPv4 address blocks
> > > but the cumulative route load from all of these non-hierarchical
> > > blocks prevents ISP's from routing them?
>
> drc () virtualized org (David Conrad) writes:
> > Presumably, the folks with the non-hierarchical address space that  
> > might get filtered would have potentially limited connectivity (as  
> > opposed to no connectivity if they didn't have IPv4 addresses).
>
> i had a totally different picture in my head, which was of a rolling
> outage of routers unable to cope with "full routing" in the face of
> this kind of unaggregated/nonhierarchical table, followed by a surge
> of bankruptcies and mergers and buyouts as those without access to
> sufficient new-router capital gave way to those with such access,
> followed by another surge of bankruptcies and mergers as those who
> thought they had access to such capital couldn't make their payments.
>
> call me a glass-half-full kind of guy, but the picture in my head in
> response to john's question is of a whole lot of network churn as the
> community jointly answers the question "who can still play in this
> world?" rather than "how useful will those new routes really be?"
> internet economics don't admit the possibility of not-full-routes, and
> so david's view that nonhierarchical routes won't be as useful as
> hierarchical makes me wonder, what isp anywhere will stay in business
> while not routing "everything" if other isp's can route "everything"?
>
> we're all in this stew pot together.
> -- 
> Paul Vixie

        stewing melds flavors, i hope we have a good chef.
        that said, i'm kind of leaning toward what i think of 
        as DRC's view...  but to clarify, can you tell me the
        economic incentive to carry route prefixes that you will
        only ever use to accept SPAM?

--bill