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Re: FCC on wifi at hotel


From: "Wayne E. Bouchard" <web () typo org>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:15:03 -0700


Just to be clear...

While it's kind of hard to restrict radio (along the same lines as
restricting the right to breathe the air in the building... you can't
control what flows through the air), nothing restricts the hotel from
lining the exterior walls with your basic faraday cage preventing
those signals from entering at all. Of course, this also blocks cell
phones, walky talkies, sattelite, and anything else that uses RF for
communication.

If they choose to allow any of these signals in, they pretty well have
to allow ALL of them in. (And filtering cell phones esp in a building
where every single interior door is locked could be argued to
interfere with 911 emergency services and be a threat to public
safety.) So the restrictions they're trying to put into place have
more to do with what activities they, as the property owner, allow
you, as a visitor, to engage in while on the premises.  That kind of
grey line rule making can get very tricky to both claim and to
enforce.

The whole thing is an ooey gooey quagmire that I want no personal part
of. :-)

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:35:43PM -0600, Carl Karsten wrote:

me again.

So wifi at pycon 07 was 'better than 06' witch I hear was a complete 
disaster. More on 07's coming soon.

Now we are talking about wifi at pycon 08, which will be at a different 
hotel (Crown Plaza in Rosemont, IL) and the question came up: Can the hotel 
actively prevent us from using our own wifi?

_maney: although - wasn't the hotel stuck on "our wifi or no wifi" at last 
report?

CarlFK: only the FCC can restrict radio

tpollari: it's their network and their power the FCC has no legal right to 
that. and no, you show me where they do.  I'm not wasting my day with that 
tripe -- the caselaw you're likely thinking of has to do with an airline 
and an airport and the airline's lounge, in which case they're paying for 
the power and paying for their bandwidth from a provider that's not the 
airport. We're not.

I know that there are all sorts of factors, and just cuz the FCC says boo 
isn't the end of the story, but i don't even know what the FCC's position 
on this is. google gave me many hits, and after looking at 10 or so I 
 decided to look elsewhere.

Carl K

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Wayne Bouchard
web () typo org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/


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