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Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization.
From: "Alexander Harrowell" <a.harrowell () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 10:58:03 +0000
UK UMTS operator 3 (a Hutchison division) is advertising its so-called X-Series service, which provides "unlimited" data service (plus various lumps of steam telephony) for £25 rising to £40 a month. Skype is being bundled with the devices involved, and here's the kicker - 3 is offering Slingboxen thrown in for £99 extra. 3 has just begun HSDPA Class 5 upgrades in metro areas (claimed maximum 3.6Mbits/s) and plans to launch HSUPA in the uplink next spring, with a claimed max of 1.4Mbits/s. On 12/25/06, Thomas Leavitt <thomas () thomasleavitt org> wrote:
Check the AUP and TOS for that EVDO connection - my guess is that by viewing stuff from your Slingbox, you're risking termination of service. I don't have an EVDO connection myself (still toodling along with my Sidekick's GPRS), and part of the reason why is that they have a lot of what I think are unreasonable restrictions on how these services can be used -- this is based on what I've read on the various mailing lists I'm on (Dave Farber's IP, Declan McCullagh's Politech, and Dewayne Hendrick's Dewayne-Net). I don't know how significant restrictions like this are from a competitive perspective, but my broadband ISP also has a very liberal TOS... and that's one of the reasons I use them. I suspect that as items like the Slingbox become more common, folks will start paying more attention to what they're permitted to do with their upstream bandwidth. Thomas Roland Dobbins wrote: > > > I recently purchased a Slingbox Pro, and have set it up so that I can > remotely access/control my home HDTV DVR and stream video remotely. > My broadband access SP specifically allow home users to run servers, > as long as said servers don't cause a problem for the SP > infrastructure nor for other users or doing anything illegal; as long > as I'm not breaking the law or making problems for others, they don't > care. > > The Slingbox is pretty cool; when I access it, both the video and > audio quality are more than acceptable. It even works well when I > access it via EVDO; on average, I'm pulling down about 450kb/sec up to > about 580kb/sec over TCP (my home upstream link is a theoretical > 768kb/sec, minus overhead; I generally get something pretty close to > that). > > What I'm wondering is, do broadband SPs believe that this kind of > system will become common enough to make a signficant difference in > traffic paterns, and if so, how do they believe it will affect their > access infrastructures in terms of capacity, given the typical > asymmetries seen in upstream vs. downstream capacity in many broadband > access networks? If a user isn't doing something like breaking the > law by illegally redistributing copyrighted content, is this sort of > activity permitted by your AUPs? If so, would you change your AUPs if > you saw a significant shift towards non-infringing upstream content > streaming by your broadband access customers? If not, would you > consider changing your AUPs in order to allow this sort of upstream > content streaming of non-infringing content, with the caveat that > users can't caused problems for your infrastructure or for other > users, and perhaps with a bandwidth cap? > > Would you police down this traffic if you could readily classify it, > as many SPs do with P2P applications? Would the fact that this type > of traffic doesn't appear to be illegal or infringing in any way lead > you to treat it differently than P2P traffic (even though there are > many legitimate uses for P2P file-sharing systems, the presumption > always seems to be that the majority of P2P traffic is in > illegally-redistributed copyrighted content, and thus P2P technologies > seem to've acquired a taint of distaste from many quarters, rightly or > wrongly). > > Also, have you considered running a service like this yourselves, a la > VoIP/IPTV? > > Vidoeconferencing is somewhat analogous, but in most cases, > videoconference calls (things like iChat, Skype videoconferencing, > etc.) generally seem to use a less bandwidth than the Slingox, and it > seems to me that they will in most cases be of shorter duration than, > say, a business traveler who wants to keep up with Lost or 24 and so > sits down to stream video from his home A/V system for 45 minutes to > an hour at a stretch. > > Sorry to ramble, this neat little toy just sparked a few questions, > and I figured that some of you are dealing with these kinds of issues > already, or are anticipating doing so in the not-so-distant future. > Any insight or informed speculation greatly appreciated! > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () cisco com> // 408.527.6376 voice > > All battles are perpetual. > > -- Milton Friedman > > > -- Thomas Leavitt - thomas () thomasleavitt org - 831-295-3917 (cell) *** Independent Systems and Network Consultant, Santa Cruz, CA ***
Current thread:
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization., (continued)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Steve Gibbard (Dec 27)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Lionel Elie Mamane (Dec 24)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Simon Leinen (Dec 25)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 25)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Randy Bush (Dec 25)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Roland Dobbins (Dec 25)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Alexander Harrowell (Dec 26)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Roland Dobbins (Dec 26)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Alexander Harrowell (Dec 25)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Thomas Leavitt (Dec 25)
- RE: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Chris L. Morrow (Dec 26)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. John Kristoff (Dec 26)
- Re: Home media servers, AUPs, and upstream bandwidth utilization. Roland Dobbins (Dec 26)