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Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless
From: "Scott Weeks" <surfer () mauigateway com>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:58:00 -1000
"cyberspace is just a meatspace overlay" I'm just sitting here with my mouth open and nothing to say. I'm going to have to chew and digest that mouthful of meat (and all it implies) for a while. (pun intended... :-) "the only technical solution is "gated communities"" That's definitely what's done now in meatspace for protection against the vile dweebs. Lotsa protection where the money is and badlands where it isn't. scott ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Paul Vixie <vixie () vix com> To: nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Date: 02 Aug 2006 06:29:55 +0000
surfer () mauigateway com ("Scott Weeks") writes:... I'm just saying that there has to be a better way than police-type actions on a global scale. ...no, there doesn't have to be such a way. where the stakes are in meatspace (pun unintended), the remediation has to be in meatspace. cyberspace is just a meatspace overlay, it can only pretend to have different laws when nothing outside of cyberspace is at stake. i think that the days when botnets were mostly used for kiddie-on-kiddie violence or even gangster-on- gangster violence are permanently behind us. it's up to the real LEOs now, because it's on their turf now, which is to say, it's in the real world now. as was true of spam when i said this about spam ten years ago, it is true now of botnets that the only technical solution is "gated communities". but the internet's culture, which merely mirrors the biases of those who use it, requires the ability for children to go door to door selling girl scout cookies, without necessarily having the key code to every one of the doors. so the internet community has no appetite for the trappings of any technical solution to botnets. the meatspace community and their LEOs absolutely *do*. -- Paul Vixie
Current thread:
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless, (continued)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Peter Dambier (Aug 01)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Joseph S D Yao (Aug 09)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Scott Weeks (Aug 01)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Paul Vixie (Aug 01)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Jamie Bowden (Aug 02)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Barry Shein (Aug 02)
- gated communities - was Re: mitigating botnet Edward Lewis (Aug 02)
- Re: gated communities - was Re: mitigating botnet Edward Lewis (Aug 02)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Paul Vixie (Aug 01)
- RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Bora Akyol (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless John Kristoff (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless Danny McPherson (Aug 03)
- Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless bmanning (Aug 03)