Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?

["Alexei Roudnev" <alex () relcom net>]

Last mile usage? May be, but it is not supported by many consumer level
firewalls/NAT's/DSL devices, cheap switches and so on.

I agree, it is most likely usage for it (multicast) - last mile and 'last
patch' -:).


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Coluccio" <frank () dticonsulting com>
To: "'Ross Hosman'" <rosshosman () yahoo com>; "'Joe Loiacono'"
<jloiacon () csc com>; "'Alexei Roudnev'" <alex () relcom net>
Cc: <nanog () nanog org>; <owner-nanog () merit edu>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few
years?


Alexei Roudnev wrote:

> > What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters
into
> > use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of
> Because multicast standards was written by academic idiots. -:) Very
> difficult to use and full of unused features.
>
> (Do not believe? Read RSVP protocol - not exactly multicast but not far
away
> from it).
>
> And because multicast protocols (unfortunately) are not easy to implement.
> It excuse this standards and their authors.
>
> I can predict one more 'skype' like company, with really robust protocol,
> catching multicast market. Something like 'peer to peer multicast' -:).

Don't be too quick to assess the usage and value of multicast in last mile
access
networks, where it has found far greater success than over the Internet
proper
across the WAN. IP- and ATM- based multicast has worked very well for the
past
five years in telco VDSL (check out Next Level's implementations during the
late
nineties), and now in all manner of xDSL implementations, as well as a
number of
cable operator service applications in the digital region of their spectrum,
for
program video delivery to homes. Check it out.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/neso/dsso/global/madsl_wp.htm

Frank A. Coluccio
DTI Consulting Inc.

On Fri May 13  2:29 , "Alexei Roudnev"  sent:

> > So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
> > Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
> >
> > What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters
into
> > use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of
> Because multicast standards was written by academic idiots. -:) Very
> difficult to use and full of unused features.
>
> (Do not believe? Read RSVP protocol - not exactly multicast but not far
away
> from it).
>
> And because multicast protocols (unfortunately) are not easy to implement.
> It excuse this standards and their authors.
>
> I can predict one more 'skype' like company, with really robust protocol,
> catching multicast market. Something like 'peer to peer multicast' -:).
>
>
>
>
> > broadband video, etc., is just going to have to break wide open soon.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       Ross Hosman
> sjsobol () JustThe net>, Fred Heutte aoxomoxoa () sunlightdata com>
> >                       @yahoo.com>              cc:      nanog () nanog org
> >                       Sent by:                 Subject: Re: what will all
> you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
> >                       owner-nanog
> >
> >
> >                       05/12/2005 02:16
> >                       PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not pointing any fingers but many of you think these
> > small ISP's are just going to die off instead of
> > adapt. Wireless is becoming a better and more reliable
> > technology that in the future will be able to provide
> > faster service then FTTH. I know of atleast one small
> > ISP in Michigan that went from dial-up to deploying
> > wireless. With WiMAX coming out I think you will see a
> > number of smaller ISPs switching to it as a service.
> > It is also much cheaper to deploy a wireless network.
> >
> > Me personally, I think wireless is the future for
> > residential internet/tv/phone.
> >
> > Ross Hosman
> > Charter Communcations
> >
> > --- Steve Sobol sjsobol () JustThe net> wrote:
> > > Fred Heutte wrote:
> > > > (1) There will be a market for independent ISPs as
> > > long CLECs
> > >
> > > I think a more appropriate term would be ALEC
> > >
> > > (anti-competitive local exchange carrier)
> > >
> > > ...That having been said, the problem with the small
> > > guys providing access is
> > > they can't generally achieve the economies of scale
> > > that allow them to compete
> > > with the big guys.
> > >
> > > I'm on a Charter cablemodem, 3mbps down x 256kbps
> > > up, $39.95/month. Verizon is
> > > building out FTTH in this area and they're going to
> > > be offering 5x2 for $39.95
> > > or 10x5 for $49.95, IIRC. Those are all residential
> > > prices, but Charter's
> > > actually pretty competitive on business rates too.
> > >
> > > And yes, there are people who value service over
> > > price, but the price
> > > differential is only going to get worse.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/
> > > - 888.480.4NET (4638)
> > > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge /
> > > sjsobol () JustThe net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> > >
> > > "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
> > >      --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"