Re: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Cidr Report

[Paul Bradford <paul () adelphiacom net>]

Maybe this all is just a result of different inefficient (IP Wise not $$
wise) network designs... like those that rely on upstream providers to
provide a "virtual" backbone for a company because they design thier
network to be discontiguous...  

Thanks,
Paul

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 08:21 -0500, Bruce Eastman wrote:
> > Jon is right.  Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management
> > at least from a netizens point of view....
>
>
> Well, the warning advisory in and of itself was meant to interject a little
> humor, but the idea
> was serious. ARIN submits an e-mail message to the customer, with each
> allocation.
> I think John's idea of adding a short paragraph and direction to a few links
> was a very good
> idea. I believe the message sent out with each allocation would be a good
> place to add said
> links and paragraph.
>
> Bruce Eastman
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Darte" <billd () cait wustl edu>
> To: "'Bruce Eastman '" <bruce.eastman () adelphia com>; <owner-ppml () arin net>;
> <ppml () arin net>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Cidr
> Report
>
>
> > Jon is right.  Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management
> > at least from a netizens point of view....
> >
> > Still, you advisory below is a hoot!  I like it.
> >
> > Bill Darte
> >
> >
> > Bruce Eastman said:
> >
> >
> > Maybe ARIN should add a Warning label. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > WARNING - DANGER - READ THIS & HEED THIS!
> >
> >
> >
> > WARNING: THIS IS NOT A TOY. THIS IP IS DESIGNED FOR USE BY EXPERIENCED
> > NETWORKING PERSONNEL AND IS INTENDED
> >
> >  FOR USE BY AN EXPERT IN ROUTING. THESE IP'S ARE INTENDED FOR USE SOLELY
> > BY
> > SENIOR NETWORK ENGINEER TYPES
> >
> > ( WITH NECESSARY SAFETY EQUIPMENT ). NO OTHER USE IS INTENDED OR
> > RECOMMENDED. ILLEGAL TO OWN, PURCHASE OR
> >
> > TRANSFER BY ANYONE OTHER THAN ARIN OR OUTSIDE THE TERMS AFOREMENTIONED.
> > MISUSE OR CARELESS USE MAY CAUSE
> >
> > SERIOUS ROUTING DEAGGREGATION. READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USING.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce Eastman
> > Senior IP Analyst
> > Adelphia Communications
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jon Lewis" <jlewis () lewis org>
> > To: "Andrew Dul" <andrew.dul () quark net>
> > Cc: <ppml () arin net>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The
> > Cidr
> > Report
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Andrew Dul wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was wondering if people in the ARIN region agreed with these
> > statements
> > > > about the ARIN region not doing enough to educate the membership
> > about
> > > > deaggregation, BGP annoucements etc...
> > > >
> > > > If ARIN were to do more what would you suggest?
> > > >
> > > > 1. More/Better online training
> > > > 2. Regional Training session (similar to RIPE?)
> > >
> > > Whether or not ARIN actually did any training courses, it would be
> > nice to
> > > see some info on BCPs for BGP routing in the training section of the
> > ARIN
> > > web site rather than just "how to use whois" and "how to jump through
> > the
> > > hoops to get IP space".
> > >
> > > Too many networks deaggregate their announcements for no reason simply
> > > because they don't realize there's any reason they shouldn't.
> > >
> > > Covering things like route filtering (i.e. not leaking provider A's
> > routes
> > > to provider B) would be nice.  Might even mention the use of routing
> > > registries (radb, altdb, ARIN's own one, etc.).
> > >
> > > To make a bad analogy, right now, ARIN's like a gun shop selling guns
> > with
> > > no manuals and no safety literature.  Not everyone who's buying knows
> > how
> > > to use them safely.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  Jon Lewis                   |  I route
> > >  Senior Network Engineer     |  therefore you are
> > >  Atlantic Net                |
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