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Re: Two Tiered Internet
From: Joe Shen <joe_hznm () yahoo com sg>
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:41:17 +0800 (CST)
What I'm interested in is how the two service providers will build a two tiered Internet. To our experience, current QoS mechanism ( WRR + multiple_Queue) could not differentiate service quality when bandwidth is overprivisioned. If there is congestion, why should I stay with it while there is another ISP who says their is no congestion in their network ? If hard limited bandwidth allocation mechanism is available, how could they calculate the bandwidth of each service class ? how could they do with the complexity of nework management? How could they do with security problems? Looking at IPTV, I'm not sure where is millions of people use such service; but I do know P2P IPTV application (like ppstream) could provide good quality and multiple TV programs even bandwidth is limited. So, IMO this is game between ISPs, new technology, content providers and internet users. Currently, content providers are the ONLY winner. Joe --- Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 05:14:46PM -0800, Tony Li wrote:I guess you missed all those trenches being dugin Verizon land toinstall fiber to the home. I guess you missed all thenetwork upgrades inATT/SBC and Bellsouth land to shorten their copper loopdistances.Sounds like they are manufacturing more bandwidthand the zero sumgame is getting bigger.I believe it when it gets to my street. So far,the reality isReally Slow DSL, with service and installation times measured in weeksat costs that aren'tcompetitive. So yes, I missed all of that.Ditto. No matter how many million IPTV users there are, it's not reaching the area where i live. I'd love Verizon to come into the chunk of the SBC area where i live that is adjancent to their existing service area and attempt to compete with each other. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared () puck nether net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
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Current thread:
- Re: Two Tiered Internet, (continued)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Bob Snyder (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet bmanning (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Sean Donelan (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Tony Li (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Sean Donelan (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Tony Li (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Jeff McAdams (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Edward B. Dreger (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Sean Donelan (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Jared Mauch (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Joe Shen (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet bmanning (Dec 14)
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- Re: Two Tiered Internet bmanning (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Joe Maimon (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Marshall Eubanks (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet bmanning (Dec 14)