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Re: RE: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers
From: sgorman1 () gmu edu
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:58:25 -0400
The latest is in the warehouse this september. Thanks for the interest. best, sean ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Crooks <sam.a.crooks () gmail com> Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:06 am Subject: RE: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers
When is that book of yours coming out? -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of sgorman1 () gmu edu Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:34 PM To: Gordon Cook Cc: nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers The unfortunate part of all this is there is a demand for diversity, especially from the financial and government sectors. One of the big problems is that clients seldom know which providers or combinaiton of providers give them the most diversity. There are some intersting ways to claculate the optimal set of providers by price and diversity, but gettingthe data is quite difficult. Sometime large clients like the US government can leverage providers into divulging routing and right of ways, but is definately the exception. Even from our rough analyses there are severalareas of heavily shared colocation. Sounds like the problem is getting worse and not better. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Cook <cook () cookreport com> Date: Monday, August 8, 2005 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergersSo although we have the technology to build networks controlledatthe edge and networks that are less subject to failure, the old business models that we cant seem to break out of insist that we remonopolize walled garden telephone monopolies. Why? Because we imagine them to have wondrous new capabilitiesofeconomy of scale. We concentrate the fiber and the switching centers into evermore centralized potential points offailure. We rob ourselves of redundancy. As with the cisco router monoculture in our backbones which god help us if it everfailed, we are now building a potential concentration of fiber. Higher and potentially more fragile than the twin towers. How sad. How can we gain some understanding of other ways to look at infrastructure? This is terribly short sighted. How many enterprises do you see Frank that may begin tounderstandthey better build their own infrastructure. because perhaps placing all your infrastructures marbles in the equivalent of a new set of twin towers is not a good execution of your fiduciary responsibility to your shareholder...never mind the public at large? ============================================================= The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing,NJ08618 USA 609 882-2572 (PSTN) 415 651-4147 (Lingo) cook () cookreport com Subscription info: http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml New report:Whereis New Wealth Created? Center or Edge? at: http://cookreport.com/14.07.shtml ============================================================= On Aug 8, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Frank Coluccio wrote:All, Tracking the preceding discussion on fiber cuts has beenespecially> > interesting for me, with my focus being on the futureimplications ofthe pending RBOC mega-mergers now being finalized. The threat that I see resulting from the dual marriages of SBC/AT&T and VZ/MCIwill beto drastically reduce the number of options that networkplanners inboth enterprises and xSPs have at their disposal at this time for redundancy and diversity in the last mile access and metrotransport> > layers. And higher than those, too, when integrations are completed.These mergers will result in the integration and optimization of routes and the closings of certain hubs and central offices inorder to allow for the obligatory "synergies" and resulting savings tokick in.In the process of these efficiencies unfolding, I predict thatbusiness continuation planning and capacity planning processes, not tomention> service ordering and engineering, will be disrupted toafare-thee-well, where end users are concerned. The two question that I haveare, Howlong will it take for those consolidations to kick in? and,Whatwill> become of the routes that are spun off or abandoned due to either> business reasons surrounding synergies or court-ordered due toconcentration of powers? While it's true that an enterprise or ISP cannot pin pointwheretheir> services are routed, as was mentioned upstream in anumberofplaces, it is at least possible to fairly accurately distinguish routes from disparate providers who are using different rights of way.This isespecially true when those providers are 'facilities-based.'However,> the same cannot be said for Type- 2 and -3 fiber (or even copper) loopproviders who lease and resell fiber, such as Qwest ridingpiggy-back> atop Above.net in an out-of-region metro offering.But thus far, for the builds that are owned and maintained byVerizon,> SBC, MCI/MFS and AT&T/TCG, such differentiations are still possible.Not only will end users/secondary providers lose out on thenumber ofphysical route options that they have at their disposal, but once integration is completed users will find themselves ridingoversystems that are also managed and groomed in the upstream by a commonsetof NMS constructs, further reducing the level of robustness on yet higher levels in the stack. frank () coluccio net ------Eight or nine people I had talked to thought they had geographically distinct ring loops that turned out to be on that one cable when the second cut took it down hard.Perhaps now people will begin to take physical separacy seriously and write grooming protocols and SLAs into their contracts? Or was this type of service "good enough"? --Michael Dillon
Current thread:
- Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Frank Coluccio (Aug 08)
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Gordon Cook (Aug 08)
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers sgorman1 (Aug 08)
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Michael . Dillon (Aug 09)
- RE: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Sam Crooks (Aug 09)
- Re: RE: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers sgorman1 (Aug 09)
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers sgorman1 (Aug 08)
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Gordon Cook (Aug 08)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Of Fiber Cuts and RBOC Mega-mergers Frank Coluccio (Aug 08)