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Re: Internet2
From: Dan Hollis <goemon () anime net>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
to source is still the big gap. imiho, from the ops perspective, only sally's ecn has made any useful approach. sadly, we may be able to judge the actual demand for e2e qos by ecn's very slow deployment. i think this is unfortunate, as ecn is pretty cool.
The low demand is partially due to IWF[0] who unwittingly block it. Many OSes deploy with ecn support but default it off due to the IWF problem. And there are so many IWF that applying enough cluebats to clear the path for ECN is going to take enormous effort. We could demonstrate how cool ECN is, if there werent so many IWF making this impossible. Entities who try to deploy ECN are deluged with "hey wtf I cant reach site XYZ anymore, your shit is broken, fix it you *******!" I have no idea if microsoft supports ECN yet, but if they dont then I suspect that a sufficiently embarassing benchmark would prod them into adding it. I wonder how many network operators on nanog block ECN. If you do, why? -Dan [0]Idiots With Firewalls. See http://urchin.earth.li/cgi-bin/ecn.pl
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- Re: Internet2 Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Scott Call (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Vicky Rode (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Daniel Roesen (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Patrick W. Gilmore (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Vicky Rode (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Randy Bush (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Vicky Rode (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Randy Bush (Apr 27)
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- Re: Internet2 Randy Bush (Apr 27)
- Re: Internet2 Dan Hollis (Apr 27)
- Re: Internet2 Florian Weimer (Apr 27)
- Re: Internet2 Vicky Rode (Apr 29)
- Re: Internet2 Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Adam McKenna (Apr 26)
- Re: Internet2 Douglas Dever (Apr 27)