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Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32)
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:43:01 -0800
Generally, I don't like to cross-post, but, this is definitely an ARIN policy
issue, so, I'm sending it to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List as well(ppml () arin net). While I think it is useful to discuss such issues on NANOG,
the reality is that it is more useful to discuss them on PPML and I would like to encourage everyone participating in the discussion on NANOG to continue the discussion on the ARIN PPML. According to the ARIN policy document: 6.2.9. End siteAn end site is defined as an end user (subscriber) who has a business relationship with a service provider that involves:
1. that service provider assigning address space to the end user2. that service provider providing transit service for the end user to other sites
3. that service provider carrying the end user's traffic.4. that service provider advertising an aggregate prefix route that contains the end user's assignment
As such, it appears to be a catch 22. If your organization has transit and PA space, apparently, as I read the policy, that would preclude you from qualifying as an LIR without spinning off a separate ORG to do so, then becoming a customer of that ORG. I suspect that the ARIN staff will be more reasonable about the application of this rule, but, that is just a suspicion. I think we definitely need to review v6 allocation policy and improve its consistency and ability to meet the needs of the community if v6 is to make real progress towards broad adoption. Owen--On Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:23 PM -0600 Stephen Sprunk <stephen () sprunk org> wrote:
Thus spake "Daniel Roesen" <dr () cluenet de>And as this makes this whole 200-orgs constraint pathetic, there is an effort underway (or even already agreed upon?) at least in RIPE region, to just scratch it completely. So it boils down to: - you're a LIR (== you pay) - you will assign to other "organizations". Definition of "organization" is up to you.And you cannot be an "end site", which I would expect ARIN staffers to interpret as any organization which doesn't sell transit to the public. S Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart CCIE #3723 people. Smart people surround themselves with K5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Aaron Sorkin
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- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Jeroen Massar (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Owen DeLong (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Ryan O'Connell (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Jeroen Massar (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Ryan O'Connell (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Jeroen Massar (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Owen DeLong (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Ryan O'Connell (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Daniel Roesen (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Stephen Sprunk (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Owen DeLong (Nov 26)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 26)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Owen DeLong (Nov 26)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Iljitsch van Beijnum (Nov 25)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Owen DeLong (Nov 26)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Fred Baker (Nov 27)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Fred Baker (Nov 27)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Sean Donelan (Nov 27)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Pekka Savola (Nov 27)
- Re: BBC does IPv6 ;) (Was: large multi-site enterprises and PI prefix [Re: who gets a /32) Scott W Brim (Nov 27)
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