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RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?
From: "David Schwartz" <davids () webmaster com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:22:15 -0700
David, Isn't renumbering an obligation?I wonder if their ARIN application says anything about planning to renumber their existing space from NAC into the newly assigned space... -davidu
It's hard to see how his customer failing to meet obligations to ARIN is going to be considered relevant to his relationship to his customer. ARIN isn't a party to the dispute, and the ARIN renumbering requirements aren't directly intended to benefit the ISP. In fact, one could argue that a customer renumbering is to the detriment of their ISP because it reduces lock in. A court is going to look very specifically at three things: 1) What is the hardship to the customer if the TRO is not granted. 2) What is the hardship to the ISP if the TRO is granted. 3) Is the customer likely to prevail in whatever is the actual claim that gave rose to the TRO (which we have no clue). I think it doesn't impose a significant hardship on the ISP for the court to grant the customer the right to continue using the IPs and advertise them from another provider for some reasonable amount of time. How much of a hardship forcing the customer to renumber immediately is, I don't know. And what the real claim is, I don't know either. The tack I would take is to use the kettle defense -- to attack all the prongs. First, I'd argue that there is no hardship to the customer in forcing them to renumber immediately, spreading the pain out over time doesn't lessen it. I'd further add that the TRO's false urgency was created by the customer -- they already had plenty of time to renumber, so if losing the IPs was such a hardship, it's only because they failed to mitigate it by acting diligently. Second, I'd argue that letting them keep the IPs is a significant hardship on me, because it makes me responsible for resources over which I have no control whatsoever. A security problem might require immediate filtering to protect my other customers, and I won't be able to do that. Third, I'd argue that the customer always knew that the ISP's were his only so long as he continued to buy my service, and so he is asking for something to which he knows he has no entitlement. All of this assumes that you didn't disconnect him for a bad reason and were reasonable in negotiations with him. You weren't really trying to lock him in and using his IPs and his difficulty with renumbering to blackmail him for more money, were you? DS
Current thread:
- Can a customer take IP's with them? Alex Rubenstein (Jun 22)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 22)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? David A . Ulevitch (Jun 22)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Christopher J. Wolff (Jun 22)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 22)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? David A . Ulevitch (Jun 22)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Jeff McAdams (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? David A . Ulevitch (Jun 22)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Andy Dills (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Jess Kitchen (Jun 23)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? Krzysztof Adamski (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Welty (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Edward B. Dreger (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Patrick W Gilmore (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Richard Welty (Jun 23)
- Re: Can a customer take IP's with them? Eric Gauthier (Jun 25)
- RE: Can a customer take IP's with them? David Schwartz (Jun 22)