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QOD: Which is worse - Spam or Attacks?


From: "Pete" <crossfire () smsonline net>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:53:54 -0400

a.>Spam is a relative issue that consumes a fixed percentage of everyone's time. [ DONE ]


b.> Ddos, Syn, Udp and Ack Attacks are limitless and ever consuming, there is no sure fix without blocking and even 
then the blocking must be additionally carried up the upstream or peers. 

What makes matters worse is that ISP's such as SBC don't publish their NOC's telephone number, due to anti spam 
complaints. Yet, one of their clients can be infected with the pound-it-up-your-ass worm and whipping up a wicked Ddos 
Attack on anyone within the same class "a" and their subsequent peers. You' will have to send the SBC NOC a Fax!. And 
if they feel like it, they will call you back?

I hosting many bulk websites over the years, but at all times our contact information was correct and we answered the 
telephone. Granted, I may have been impolite to some folks but, I did shutdown sites upon request too. We did not 
tolerate anyone that used invalid information and tossed them out just as soon as we found them or were notified of the 
problem.

So, I put these question on the floor . . . 

How is it that a small web-hosting ISP can be condemned for not handling their clientele as spammers. On the otherhand 
the "fat-dog" ISP's can blantantly state that they deny access and using misleading information are not held to the 
same standards. And in-fact are not even using any port filtering to prevent their clients from infecting the world?






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