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Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious
From: Christopher Woodfield <rekoil () semihuman com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:20:33 -0400
I think depeering is a bit over the top for this situation, but I wouldn't blink at nullrouting the prefix in question at my cores... :)
I guess the big question is, is there anyone (other than those profiting directly from CWS) that would complain if a provider were to do such a thing...
-C On Jul 12, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Golding wrote:
On 7/12/04 12:33 PM, "Michel Py" <michel () arneill-py sacramento ca us> wrote:Paul Vixie wrote: or, to put it in terms you can all understand: "why does that provider's upstream still have bgp peers?"Maybe said upstream does not want to deal with TROs and legal issues? CWS is not illegal as of today.CWS isn't illegal. On the other hand, there is no legal exposure fromdepeering providers who take on these customers. TRO's and such would only come into effect if the provider's peers failed to observe the contractuallyobligated notice period (30-60 days, normally).Some peering contracts specify that behaviors that endanger a network or its users allow for immediate disconnection. Its a bit of a stretch to invokethis for a spyware site.Depeering has been threatened as an anti-spam measure - it is reasonable effective. This hasn't been extended to spyware, as it doesn't get the samelevel of press.If you contact a provider who is hosting malware, and they refuse to remove it or disconnect the hoster, you could always try contacting their peers and cc:ing the offending provider. End-user networks (DSL, Cable, dial-up), areparticularly sensitive to software that might harm their users.if you give people the means to hurt you, and they do it, and you take no action except to continue giving them the means to hurt you, and they take no action except to keep hurting you, then one of the ways you can describe the situation is "it isn't scaling well."Could not agree more. Michel.-- Daniel Golding Network and Telecommunications Strategies Burton Group
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- RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Michel Py (Jul 11)
- RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Michel Py (Jul 11)
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- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Paul Vixie (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Richard A Steenbergen (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Gregh (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious William Warren (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Paul Vixie (Jul 12)
- RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Michel Py (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Daniel Golding (Jul 12)
- RE: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious David Schwartz (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Christopher Woodfield (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious David A . Ulevitch (Jul 12)
- plumbers coming down the pipe Paul Vixie (Jul 16)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Paul Vixie (Jul 12)
- Problems with private justice (was Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious) Sean Donelan (Jul 13)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Daniel Golding (Jul 12)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 13)
- Re: Spyware becomes increasingly malicious Alexei Roudnev (Jul 13)
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