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Re: Clueless service restrictions (was RE: Anti-spam System Idea)


From: Paul Jakma <paul () clubi ie>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:51:04 +0000 (GMT)


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Alex Bligh wrote:

they in turn chose to trust. Take BGP (by which I mean eBGP) as the case in
point: [...] The trust relationship is
important, [...]. BGP allows me (in commonly deployed form) to run 
a relatively
secure protocol between peers, and deploy (almost) universal end-to-end
connectivity for IP packets in a manner that does not necessarily involve
end users in needing to know anything about it bar "if the routing doesn't
work, I move providers"; 

Right but:

- The world of BGP peers is a rarified one, there are, what, <20k 
ASes out there? Nearly all are medium sized enterprises, institutions 
or organisations or bigger.

- With BGP's peer-to-peer trust relationships, prefixes get hijacked,
rogue ASes collude with spammers.

So, despite the small number of players, it still doesnt work, and 
people are working on adding stronger forms of verification of 
announcements to to BGP.

And you want to try scale this to the millions and millions of SMTP
hosts? :)

Alex

regards,
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