RE: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?

["Chad Skidmore" <cskidmore () go180 net>]

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Ryburn [mailto:justin () ryburn org] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:18 PM
> To: Chad Skidmore; nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: How many backbones here are filtering the 
> makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?
>
> This is what scares me.  Who determines the "bad guys?"  I 
> don't know anyone over at Lycos so I have no trust (or lack 
> there of) in Lycos.  Who is to say that Lycos won't decide 
> next month that Yahoo, Google, MSN, _insert your own network 
> here_ are "bad guys" and point the screen saver at them.  Are 
> they likely to do it?  Probably not; it would be a PR 
> nightmare for them.  But who is to stop them?  What if they 
> don't go so extreme and just point the screen saver at "gray 
> hat" hosts who are open relays or something?

I agree 100%.  I believe that I get to decide what is or is not "ok"
traffic on my network.  I define that in my AUP and customers agree
to and understand that when they buy service from me.

> My opinion (not that anyone asked) is retaliation is childish 
> and unprofessional.  I remember the Internet before Spam, 

Also agree 100%.  If there is traffic hitting my network that I don't
believe is "ok" then I can choose not to carry that traffic on my
network.  It doesn't give me the right to attack the originator of
that traffic or the person that I "believe" to be the originator of
that traffic.

That's why I am a very firm believer in the power of "ip route
x.x.x.x y.y.y.y null0" command.  :)  Makes the problem go away for me
(for the most part) and doesn't cause anyone else any pain as a
result except my customers, who agreed to let me use that power when
they purchased service from me.


> botnets, DDOS, etc.
> and dream of a day when these are "under control" again just 
> as much as the next geek.  However, stooping to the level of 
> the miscreant is not the answer to the problem in my opinion.
>
> Justin Ryburn
> justin () ryburn org
>
> "Dance like nobody's watching; love like you've never been 
> hurt. Sing like nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on
> earth." 
>   --  Mark Twain

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Chad E Skidmore
One Eighty Networks, Inc.
http://www.go180.net
509-688-8180

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