Re: OT - 3 Free Gmail invites

[Joshua Brady <somitho () gmail com>]

I believe Lou here is scanning customers email accounts to block them
from GMail usage: www.metron.com does that not defeat his whole
purpose to prove a point here? Time to blacklist metron they seem to
be scanning users emails without there prior consent!

Josh
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:18:07 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi
<bonomi () mail r-bonomi com> wrote:
> > From owner-nanog () merit edu  Thu Aug 19 12:43:05 2004
> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:39:43 -0700
> > From: Lou Katz <lou () metron com>
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Subject: Re: OT - 3 Free Gmail invites
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:13:29PM -0700, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> > > Joshua Brady wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've got 2 Gmail invites up for grabs for the first 2 to email me offlist.
> > >
> > > You know, I'm having trouble finding people that *don't* have gmail.com
> > > accounts already. :P
> >
> > Because G-mail scans INCOMING mail without the sender's consent, we will NEVER
> > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them.
>
> Are you seriously considering blocking _everybody's_ mail?  In today's world
> practically *everybody* scans incoming mail.   Spam, viruses, scams, bogus
> bounce messages, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
>
> > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. We actively discourage
> > our clients from using this service.
>
> Do you similarly discourage the use of  ATT WorldNet, MSN, Yahoo, Earthlink,
> Hotmail, AOL, Earthlink, Panix, Flashnet, Netscape.net, RCN, Corecomm,
> Comcast, Cogent, RoadRunner, Cox, Adelphia, etc. ?   *EVERY*ONE* of those
> providers also scans all INCOMING mail. *Without* the sender's consent.
>
> Do you do any anti-spam and/or anti-virus scanning of *your* incoming mail?
>
> Why does it seem like the description 'two-faced' applies to your attitude?
>
> >                                      If you want to let a service scan YOUR mail,
> > it is your perogative, but you cannot give them permission to scan MY mail to you.
>
> And, just BTW, legally, _yes_ I *can* give a third-party permission to scan
> any/all of my incoming mail, including yours. And you, the sender, do =not=
> have anything to say about the matter.
>
> LEGAL FACT:
> I can hire _anybody_ to read my mail, on my behalf, 'annotate' it for me,
> and provide me with the 'marked up' copy, *without* violating any of your
> 'intellectual property rights' (e.g., "copyright").  You have absolutely
> no say in the matter, whatsoever.  And it doesn't matter whether the 'mail'
> in question is postal mail, or 'e-mail'.  The law is _exactly_ the same.
>
> *ANYTHING* that _I_ can legally do with/to my incoming mail, I can hire an
> 'agent' (someone acting 'at my direction', and 'on my behalf') to do.
>
> Now, if that person I hired were to give copies of my incoming mail to
> _someone_else_ (other than myself), *then*and*only*then* would you have
> a cause for action against "someone".  If that person distributed those
> copies _at_my_direction_, they would be immune; your 'cause for action'
> would be against _me_.  OTOH, if they did it *without* my permission, then
> and =only= then, would you have cause for action against _them_.
>
> Of course, if _I_ were to do that self-same thing -- give copies of incoming
> mail to 'someone else', then *I* would be liable to the sender for those
> acts.