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Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation
From: <bdragon () gweep net>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
The statement; "an advertisement affects all members of the system equally" is false. As you point out, sprint (at the time) was able to announce 192.0.0.0/3, which clearly changed how they saw more specific annoucements. I guess my point is, peering is a bilateral agreement between two parties to exchange packets. part of that agreement is or should include provisions for determining what prefixes are sourced by each party and what are the expectations for re-announcing those prefixes to other parties. Those agreements/negotiations are -BILATERAL- and only affect the consenting parties. Anything else is either sloppiness or laziness. --bill
Ok, so it appears there will never be a solution. 1) Filtering leads to blackholes 2) There was pushback on automatic aggregation, as well as a present lack of feature for configurable automatic aggregation 3) Direct compensation by those who deaggregate to those who accept their routes has problems, not the least of which is lack of support from those who don't feel that nth-order parties are being affected by having the routes in their bgp table. 4) Compensation along existing relationships only goes upwards, with peers being zero-sum amongst themselves (and other end-users get nothing, since no money flows back down the chain). This, of course, only serves to encourage deaggregation, since providers can add another revenue stream where they might have previously discouraged people from deaggregating. Maybe there will be some effort to solve the problem at another time. Until then, I'm done with this thread.
Current thread:
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation, (continued)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation Bill Nickless (May 05)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bdragon (May 05)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation Bill Nickless (May 05)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bdragon (May 05)
- RE: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation David Schwartz (May 05)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bdragon (May 10)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bmanning (May 10)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bdragon (May 10)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation alex (May 11)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bmanning (May 12)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation bdragon (May 12)
- RE: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation David Schwartz (May 10)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation alex (May 11)
- Re: Internet core scale and market-based address allocation Daniel Golding (May 05)
- short version (Re: Market-based address allocation) Sean M . Doran (May 05)
- Re: Market-based address allocation bmanning (May 01)
- Re: Market-based address allocation Valdis . Kletnieks (May 01)
- Re: Market-based address allocation Valdis . Kletnieks (May 01)
- Re: Market-based address allocation Andrea Abrahamsen (May 01)