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Re: Reply to Sean Donelan (was: Yet more hijacked space? - deru.net)


From: "Joseph T. Klein" <jtk () titania net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:08:25 -0500


Perhaps it is the water here in America, or bovine growth hormones in the milk.

The state of the RIPE db may have more to do with the cooperation of the RIPE membership rather than the RIPE management. ARIN has the unenviable task of dealing with American ISPs. Most ISPs in land of cowboys are run by ultra cowboys. They
don't cotton well to people in charge of resource management.

Of course ARIN is an organization made of of the vary ISPs that complain about
it. So, don't complain and not participate in ARIN meetings.

Go to the next meeting.

IMHO - The back to back NANOG/ARIN meeting are great opportunity for participation by this community. I am glad that ARIN and the Merit folks have the vision to
bring these meetings together.

Most any problem can be resolved if we make an effort to work together toward a
solution.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 04:26  AM, Frank Louwers wrote:


On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 10:20:24AM +0100, Michael.Dillon () radianz com wrote:

But it doesn't answer the basic questions.  How do you tell the
difference
between a legitimate change and an illegitmate change? If ARIN makes it extremely difficult to update registry records, the records will get even more out of date. On the other hand if ARIN makes it too easy to update
registry records, the wrong people can make unauthorized changes.

That's a good question, Sean. However there is another way. ARIN and the
other RIRs need to stop publishing the whois directories as they stand
today. There is no good reason for publishing most of the information that
they do publish.

Well, I was a bit amased by the latest ARIN whois debate here. As far as
I can tell, the RIPE db is much more up to date, and (and this is
important) lists the date and emailaddress of all the changes to the
objects ... So where your comments might be a GoodThing(tm) for ARIN, I
don't think many Europeans have such issues with the RIPE db.


Kind Regards,
Frank Louwers

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