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Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy
From: Pete Kruckenberg <pete () kruckenberg com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:02:23 -0600 (MDT)
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Adam Kujawski wrote:
Who, besides Sean, has maps like this? The state PUC? If so, is that information available to the public? Do you have to go thorugh a background check and/or sign an NDA? Or is it only the providers themselves that have the maps for this stuff?
It sounds to me like the secret is more that 25 carriers all use the same fiber bundle, and told their customers otherwise ("we have dual entrances to 123 Anystreet, on our own fiber"). Is it really any secret where the telco hotels are (http://www.carrierhotels.com) or where the incubent's CO's are (your local account team will happily show you a map)? Yes, this stuff takes time to assemble. How long does it take to coordinate 4 simultaneous plane hijackings? This is yet another case of keeping incredibly useful information from the people who could most use it (I'm sure the financial industry really appreciated finding out how vulnerable they are) to defend themselves, and make their vendors and government accountable, while assuming that the Bad Guys are too stupid to figure out how to get the information themselves. So, instead, we will all continue to blindly buy "redundant" infrastructure that uses the same fiber bundles, because we don't have the information to make a more intelligent choice. Just makes it easier for a terrorist to do his job. Pete.
Current thread:
- Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Adam Kujawski (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jared Mauch (Jul 08)
- RE: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Deepak Jain (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Pete Kruckenberg (Jul 08)
- Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) Sean Donelan (Jul 09)
- Re: Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) N. Richard Solis (Jul 09)
- Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) Sean Donelan (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Eric Kuhnke (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Leo Bicknell (Jul 09)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Michael . Dillon (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jack Bates (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Scott Weeks (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Peter Galbavy (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Barney Wolff (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Eric Kuhnke (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jack Bates (Jul 09)
(Thread continues...)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jared Mauch (Jul 08)