RE: IRR listing of IANA-reserved, a question..

[<william () elan net>]

> List the 128-191/8 allocations first. Getting this information from the
> RIR's has been tedious. 
Unless IANA was responsible for those initial allocations, it should not 
be IANA's task to make this list. And if IANA makes such a list I think it 
should be separate from the /8 list presented at 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space

I'd much rather have regional registries list information for customers 
for all blocks for companies that are located in their territory. And 
that means information for initial allocations made prior to APNIC/RIPE 
should be moved to those registraries with link available from ARIN. All 
those /8 which IANA currently lists as having  multiple registries are in 
reality in ARIN's database currently so we might as well consider ARIN to 
be responsible registry, however in case where majority of allocations in 
that block are going to custoers in other region, IANA should consider 
having another RIR be made reponsible for that /8 block.

My opinion is that we have chosen right approach by having a heirchy of 
responsibilities for ip allocations, i.e. IANA->RIR->ISP->customer.
We should try to keep to this strategy and for old records have the 
information transfered to approriate authority. IANA should only keep 
records for entire /8 in the end.

> After that, details on each /8 for all 256 lines
> would be useful. It is a stepping stone to some of other suggestions that
> are bound to come out of this thread.
>
> Rob Thomas and I have been playing around with a more stricter ingress
> prefix filter template to help ISPs get out of the "I only filter RFC1918"
> rut. You can check out the drafts at:
>
>       http://www.cisco.com/public/con/isp/security/
>
> The big question was a consensus on how to handle a template recommendation
> for the old B space and C.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
> > John Crain
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:04 AM
> > To: 'Jeffrey Meltzer'; nanog () merit edu
> > Subject: RE: IRR listing of IANA-reserved, a question..
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> >
> > If folks want me to split it to show 256 lines (one per /8) I can have
> > that happen.
> > Don't want to have multiple sources of the data, so for now that's
> > probably easiest.
> >
> > I'll watch this discussion with interest. If people think something is
> > useful at the IANA level I'll do my best to make it happen.
> >
> > _________________________________________
> > John Crain
> > Manager of Technical Operations
> > ICANN
> >
> > crain () icann org
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> > _________________________________________
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On
> > > Behalf Of Jeffrey Meltzer
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:54 PM
> > > To: nanog () merit edu
> > > Subject: Re: IRR listing of IANA-reserved, a question..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't the easiest (at least short term) thing be for IANA
> > > (or someone
> > > else authoritative-like) to put up a text file (not that I'm
> > > really sure
> > > how many blocks this entails) available via http or ftp for people
> > > to periodically wget, etc.
> > >
> > > Surely IANA, ARIN, or someone else has some type of up-to
> > > date database that they could script, etc to generate this file?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 06:36:04PM -0700, John M. Brown wrote:
> > > > First, standard disclaimers..
> > > > 1.  This is a technical email.
> > > > 2.  I'm not speaking for any organization, other than ME.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the last 72 hours I've seen over 3GB of data hit a
> > > network I play
> > > > with with source IP's of IANA-RESERVED space.
> > > >
> > > > Various people have reported seeing IANA-RSERVED get
> > > announced via BGP
> > > > at different parts of the net.
> > > >
> > > > Various people maintain lists of IANA-RESERVED space and other such
> > > > "special use or reserved" prefixes.
> > > >
> > > > These lists are used by others to generate filters, ACL's and the
> > > > like.
> > > >
> > > > When IANA allocates a new prefix to a RIR, these lists have to be
> > > > updated manually.  Sometime after the space has been put
> > > into service
> > > > and someone complains.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Give the above, would it make sense for:
> > > >
> > > > A) The IANA to maintain a IRR/RADB type database that would allow
> > > >    for the auto generation of filters and ACL's based *purely* on
> > > >    RESERVED IANA space.  No other prefixs would be listed.
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > > B) For one or more of the RIR's (APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC, RIPE, etc) to
> > > >    maintain such a database, again only IANA-RSERVED space.
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > > C)  One of the existing well known IRR/RADB's to maintain the db ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If such a database was available, would YOU use it ?
> > > >
> > > > Would it help your network operations?
> > > >
> > > > Would it be of a possitive or negative nature to your network?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lets try to stay away from the obvious potential flames and other
> > > > religous statements.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > John Brown
> > > > Speaking a single person